M. G. Devour wrote:
In other words, folks, getting from isolated particles of silver
suspended in water to particles dried out on a surface is *NOT* a
trivial exercise. There's little reason to believe there's any
relationship between TEM photos and what's in the water.
Right on Mike.
Featherwon wrote:
They state on their bottle that the particle size is .0008, and
that it is made with ultra pure water. I thought colloidal silver was
made with distilled water...is that the same thing as ultra pure?
Ultra pure water is deionized water which and is more pure than
Langsley wrote:
I'm currently trying to Google measuring ions. So far I haven't
found much other than measuring concentration.
Concentration is all that is measurable for silver ions.
A silver ion (Ag+) has an atomic radium of 0.129 nm or 129 pm.
Frank Key
www.ColloidalScienceLab.com
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Featherwon wrote:
Before i purchased the SilverGen, i was using Sovereign Silver,
but it became too expensive. A small amount was effective, and
im wondering what dossage of the silvergen will equal Sovereign Silver?
Provided that you get you concentration to 10 ppm, lab analysis of the
WaterOZ ionic silver is silver citrate.
Frank Key
http://www.wateroz.com/minerals/Silver.htm
The dont seem to mention what is in it here.
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Robert Berger wrote:
Good info thanks. here is a place that makes silver that is even smaller
which is .65 nm and is 10 dollars cheaper for the 8 ounce size. the
argentyn
23 below is .8 nm
The particle size claim for Argentyn 23 is based on TEM imgages of an ionic
solution which produces false
FRANK CUNS-RIAL wrote:
... because all minerlas are transported into the cells by
ionicelectrical transfer.
True for minerals in ionic form, not true for colloidal nanoparticles of
non-noble metals.
Nanoparticles of silver, gold, platinum, palladium, iridium, and other noble
metals are
Terry Chamberlin wrote:
All that you are saying is that charged silver particles smaller than a
certain size (what you are designating *ionic*) interact with chloride in a
certain way, and charged or non-charged particles bigger than a certain size
(what you are calling
*colloidal*) do not.
Regarding Terry Chamberlin's comments on ions:
To put all the definitions into practical perspective requires only that one
understand the following sentence.
The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down to the
fact that silver ions combine with chloride ions to form
http://www.physorg.com/printnews.php?newsid=7264
Frank Key
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Ole Bob wrote:
Stuff, goto www.natural-immunogenics.com and look at the study between
ionic
silver and silver colloid. The colloids ar useless in an invitro study.
The following link contains a professional review of the
Natural-Immunogenics which states as follows:
The experiment was not
Terry Chamberlain wrote:
... When high voltage is used to make it, neither sunlight nor freezing
have any affect on it.
Freezing will not damage ionic silver. If all the liquid is frozen
completely solid the silver particles present in colloidal form will settle
out when the liquid is
Frank Cuns-Rial wrote:
...Silver will react readily only with strong compounds such as oxygen
(tarnish)...
Silver oxide is not tarnish. When silver tarnishes, it combines with sulfur
and forms silver sulfide. Silver sulfide is black.
Frank Key
www.ColloidalScienceLab.com
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Nanometer size silver particles introduced into the lungs will be absorbed
into the blood stream. Particles that are to large to be absorbed will be
ionized (converted into ionic form) which will then be absorbed.
The lungs have macrophages whose purpose is to clear particles that may
become
For those who are interested to know what's in the bottle, product lab
analysis have been added for:
Argentyn 23: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr36/cpr_36.html
Silver Biotics: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr37/cpr_37.html
See how these product compare to others on the
David wrote:
Has anyone else downloaded and read the pdf for Argentyn 23; Natural
immunogenics
'professional' formulation? It's an interesting but sometimes confusing
read.
I can't work out whether they are saying its ionic or particles.
(Maybe they don't want me to understand)
David
A, perfecto!
Please send the artwork to Overnight Labels with a copy to me.
Nice work John!
Frank Key
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, and based on what
info?
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This article explains which plastics leach chemicals into water or other
liquids.
http://www.rense.com/general64/plasti.htm
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I asked Mike for permission to post the following information...
As readers may recall (how could you forget) there was a recent discussion
on the list regarding the Natural Immunogenic study that claims to prove
that only ionic silver can kill pathogens.
Because we suspected there was
Douglas H wrote:
Frank Key's website claims that IONIC SILVER is of
little value, being a DISSOLVED form not having
adequate surface area for contact with bacteria.
Has the list discussed Frank's take on this?
Your use of quote marks would indicate that you are quoting
directly from material
Marshall wrote:
As far as we can determine silver chloride is found in the bloodstream as
a
result of ingesting ionic silver. Like others before us, we used an Ion
Selective Electrode (ISE) to search for silver ions and found no
significant
silver content while the ICP/AES did find silver in
At some point recently (I lost track of where the question was asked)
Marshall asked if the EMSL tests were conducted in broth or gel.
The tests were conducted in broth. The scientists at EMSL did not believe
that gel would properly represent the action of colloidal silver vs.
pathogens.
RE: CSWarning for LV CSJason wrote:
When NIST, or any other qualified PHD scientist that does not
manufacture equipment or sell products, states that TEM is not the best
analytical method for analysing the most minute particles in colloidal
suspension, then I'll take a second look. That said,
Marshall wrote:
Good, then it all still makes sense. They are correct that gel would not
properly represent the action of a colloid vs. a pathogen, you would
likely
have reproduced the results that that other company that found that
colloid
was ineffective because I think they used a gel.
Marshall wrote:
Silver ions in a solution cannot exist without water, so when the water
is
evaporated the silver ions (cations) must combine with an available anion
to
form a compound. The predominant anions present in a silver colloid
solution (EIS) are hydroxide and carbonate.
Where does
M. G. Devour wrote:
It still says little about behavior in the body, but at least supports
your main contention, that petri dish tests that allege to show that
particulate silver does not work in culture are not properly done.
OK, that is two people in one day that agreed with me, I am not
Mike Monett wrote:
We ignore the oxides since they have no biological effect. We are
only interested in the ion content.
Here you claim silver oxide has no biological effect. OK.
Since you state the particle size determines the color, the oxides
in the photos should have all the
Terry Chamberlin wrote:
Subject: CSppm meters
My question is: Do these ppm meters measure both
colloidal (particulate) and also ionic silver content?
PPM meters don't measure silver at all, they measure electrical
conductivity.
Conductivity can be used to approximate the ionic content
Mike Monett wrote:
The particulate content is of no interest. The oxides are inert and
have no biological activity. You can see this in Steve Quinto's
report on Mesosilver:
There are no oxides in Mesosilver, only silver nanoparticles.
Steve Quinto's studies are as bogus as his use
Trem wrote:
I get many calls from prospective customers mentioning that they have been
to Frank's site and wonder what the facts are. So, yesterday I placed
this
page on our site to answer their questions by referring them to some
information
not tainted by my opinion.
Mike Monett wrote:
According to Ivan Anderson, Mesosilver is made of oxides. This makes
sense, since your tan color is similar to diluted silver hydroxide.
Elemental silver is gray or black in solution. You can prove this by
adding pickling salt to 36uS cs to make silver
M. G. Devour wrote :
... I'm afraid that we'll be forced to leave this debate pretty soon...
I could not agree more.
I felt compelled to respond because the Quinto test results are being
presented as fact.
My claim is that the EMSL challenge tests are done by one of top labs in the
US
Mike Monett wrote:
This is not necessarily true, Mike. Silver chloride has a solubility
of 0.89 ppm in distilled water. This means a concentration less than
this results in the silver and chlorine ions going their separate
ways.
0.89 in pure water, not blood serum which contains 3500 ppm
Marshall wrote:
.and Steve's work indicates that colloidal
silver, at least the meso silver product, does not kill pathogens, so we
are
kind of back where we started.
Given Quinto's past history of scientific claims for his ionic product
such as Each drop yields more than 100,000,000
The statement below which appears on the silver-colloid website seems to be
the source of some controversy.
Ingestion of highly concentrated forms of ionic silver can cause
argyria, a permanent discoloration of the skin. The
likelihood of argyria becomes significant for ionic
silver
Mike Monett wrote:
Frank has a lot of misleading statements designed to instill fear in
newbies.
We would be most interested to get details on statements designed to
instill fear.
These marketing methods are bound to backfire. For example,
there are several reports in the silver list
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