Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-05 Thread Ron Young
Your message dated: Fri, 05 Apr 2019 19:07:34 -0400 Sorry, for the confusion regarding half words and file formats... I don't where the half-words came from... Anyway, I am now able to spend time working on this to figure out where I went wrong. FYI, There is a document that has some

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-05 Thread Clem cole
Phil, The terms originated in the IBM 360 “principles of operation” book which I have here for the model 67. To wit: “instructions operate on units called halfword (2 bytes), fullword(4 bytes), doubleword (8 bytes), quad word (16 bytes). FWIW The IBM ‘storage block’ was 2048 bytes

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-05 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2019-04-06 00:33, Phil Budne wrote: Johnny Billquist wrote: In DEC terminology those are words. It goes: byte, word, longword, quadword, octaword. (8, 16, 32, 64, 128 bits.) Halfword is something that I first saw on Motorola 68K, but maybe it's been used elsewhere as well. But it feels

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-05 Thread Phil Budne
Johnny Billquist wrote: > In DEC terminology those are words. > It goes: byte, word, longword, quadword, octaword. (8, 16, 32, 64, 128 > bits.) > Halfword is something that I first saw on Motorola 68K, but maybe it's > been used elsewhere as well. But it feels wrong to use that terminology >

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-05 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2019-04-05 03:41, Ron Young wrote: For each line there is a 2 byte length, 2 byte line number followed by the data bytes... One more thing is that each line is halfword aligned with padded null bytes. In DEC terminology those are words. It goes: byte, word, longword, quadword, octaword.

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-04 Thread Larry Baker
Ron, Are you unable to FTP from your VAX? If you are able to FTP, which FTP client do you use? What does it do with the APL.V30 file from EISNER.DECUS.ORG ? I.e., what does DIR/FULL APL.V30 say after you download it? Does it matter how you download it? I.e., in

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-04 Thread Ron Young
cumentation >c. > include 'sci_apl:aplall.i/nolist' > include 'sci_apl:aplnam.i/nolist' !v0.1! include name common > include 'sci_apl:aplstk.i/nolist' > include 'sci_apl:apltok.i/nolist' > character*255 chcmd >c. >c-- initalize > > >&g

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-04 Thread Ron Young
On April 4, 2019 5:06:41 PM PDT, Paul Koning wrote: > > >> On Apr 4, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: >> >> On 2019-04-04 22:21, Paul Koning wrote: >>> That looks like standard RMS:VAR records, implied carriage control. >That means: each line is preceded by a 2 byte little endian

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-04 Thread Paul Koning
> On Apr 4, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > On 2019-04-04 22:21, Paul Koning wrote: >> That looks like standard RMS:VAR records, implied carriage control. That >> means: each line is preceded by a 2 byte little endian length, and line ends >> are not actually in the file but

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-04 Thread Larry Baker
; -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:54:50 -0700 > From: Ron Young mailto:r...@embarqmail.com>> > To: "simh@trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>" > mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com>> > Su

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-04 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2019-04-04 22:21, Paul Koning wrote: That looks like standard RMS:VAR records, implied carriage control. That means: each line is preceded by a 2 byte little endian length, and line ends are not actually in the file but implicit between each line. No. It looks a little more complicated

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-04 Thread Bob Eager
On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 13:37:03 -0700 Ron Young wrote: > Thanks... Is there any way to change the file attributes to match the > var records? When I unzip the files on vms the length bytes show up > as characters. > > This is just for my future info, I wrote a Linux c program to doe the >

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-04 Thread Ron Young
On April 4, 2019 1:21:37 PM PDT, Paul Koning wrote: >That looks like standard RMS:VAR records, implied carriage control. >That means: each line is preceded by a 2 byte little endian length, and >line ends are not actually in the file but implicit between each line. > > paul > >> On Mar 26,

Re: [Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-04 Thread Paul Koning
That looks like standard RMS:VAR records, implied carriage control. That means: each line is preceded by a 2 byte little endian length, and line ends are not actually in the file but implicit between each line. paul > On Mar 26, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Ron Young wrote: > > Hi All: > >

[Simh] Help with loading vax82b zip file into simh/vms

2019-04-04 Thread Ron Young
Hi All: I want to load some programs from the vax82b decus "tape" into my simh/vax/vms 7.3 system. VMS is installed and running. I normally would download the tape image and mount it in simh/vms and copy/restore. Unfortunately, I can't find any tape images for vax82b. There are