Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing -> RT11 source

2020-07-21 Thread Johnny Billquist
: Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing RT11 distribution comes with (uncommented) sources. Johnny On 2020-07-21 00:31, Paul Moore wrote: At the moment my ambitions are very lightweight. A pdp 11/20 with a cassette drive (why that? cos CAPS11 is the first sw listed on the simh sw kit page). And next

Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing -> RT11 source

2020-07-20 Thread Paul Moore
-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing RT11 distribution comes with (uncommented) sources. Johnny On 2020-07-21 00:31, Paul Moore wrote: > At the moment my ambitions are very lightweight. A pdp 11/20 with a cassette > drive (why that? cos CAPS11 is the first sw listed on the simh

Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing

2020-07-20 Thread Kevin Handy
mh On Behalf Of > s...@swabhawat.com > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 3:14 PM > > To: Simh@trailing-edge.com > > Subject: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing -->anf10 workstation on pdp11 with > throttling > > > > > > > > L.S. > > > > Actually where

Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing

2020-07-20 Thread Johnny Billquist
On Behalf Of s...@swabhawat.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 3:14 PM To: Simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing -->anf10 workstation on pdp11 with throttling L.S. Actually where this is important, is when using Pdp11 based ANF10 workstations in the Tops10 realm. When start

Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing

2020-07-20 Thread Brian Knittel
> ... there is plenty of software that assumes that an interrupt does not > happen before a single instruction have been executed after the previous > interrupt, from the same device, for example. On the ibm1130 (a different machine of course) we found a case where a driver expected to execute

Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing --> dectapes

2020-07-20 Thread Paul Koning
ng in their own realm ... > > > Reindert > > -Original Message- > From: Johnny Billquist [mailto:b...@softjar.se] > Sent: Tuesday, 21 July, 2020 00:16 > To: s...@swabhawat.com; simh@trailing-edge.com > Subject: Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing --> dectapes > > I thin

Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing -->anf10 workstation on pdp11 with throttling

2020-07-20 Thread Timothe Litt
> Well, then the first question that needs to be answered, which model > of PDP-11 was that code expected to run on ANF-10 primarily runs on the 11/40 (well, and the PDP-10s).  Exceptions: DN200 remote station: 11/34, DN22: 11/04 . CHK11 compiles accordingly. On 20-Jul-20 18:19, Johnny

Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing -->anf10 workstation on pdp11 with throttling --> machine selection

2020-07-20 Thread simh
iron though. Reindert -Original Message- From: Johnny Billquist [mailto:b...@softjar.se] Sent: Tuesday, 21 July, 2020 00:19 To: s...@swabhawat.com; Simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing -->anf10 workstation on pdp11 with throttling Well, then the first quest

Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing

2020-07-20 Thread Paul Moore
: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing -->anf10 workstation on pdp11 with throttling L.S. Actually where this is important, is when using Pdp11 based ANF10 workstations in the Tops10 realm. When starting up, the Anf10 software on the pdp11 sim test various devices for functionality thereby us

Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing --> dectapes

2020-07-20 Thread simh
in their own realm ... Reindert -Original Message- From: Johnny Billquist [mailto:b...@softjar.se] Sent: Tuesday, 21 July, 2020 00:16 To: s...@swabhawat.com; simh@trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing --> dectapes I think Paul's suggestion was if you actually keep a ti

Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing -->anf10 workstation on pdp11 with throttling

2020-07-20 Thread Johnny Billquist
Well, then the first question that needs to be answered, which model of PDP-11 was that code expected to run on, because the results will differ depending on that. Also, what kind of memory? (I would guess some old, small core memory boards.) The PDP-11 execution speed really does vary based on

Re: [Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing --> dectapes

2020-07-20 Thread Johnny Billquist
I think Paul's suggestion was if you actually keep a tight look at timing, the extra two bits actually do appear in the other register as DMA is going on, so you could just blindly read them out at the right times, and it might work... Johnny On 2020-07-21 00:12, s...@swabhawat.com wrote:

[Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing -->anf10 workstation on pdp11 with throttling

2020-07-20 Thread simh
L.S. Actually where this is important, is when using Pdp11 based ANF10 workstations in the Tops10 realm. When starting up, the Anf10 software on the pdp11 sim test various devices for functionality thereby using instruction count based loops etc. When all the devices necessary (paper tape

[Simh] FW: pdp 11 timing --> dectapes

2020-07-20 Thread simh
L.S. When in the past using dectapes, we read/wrote Pdp10/8 dectapes on Rsx11-D. On the Pdp11, you could do that only with READALL in interrupt mode to get the 2 extra bits, not in the standard dma mode. Other (timesharing) users weren’t that happy because the interrupt processing locked them