Re: Infinitely Unlikely Coincidences [WAS Re: [singularity] AI critique by Jaron Lanier]

2008-02-20 Thread gifting
Quoting Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 20, 2008 6:13 AM, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The possibility of mind uploading to computers strictly depends on functionalism being true; if it isn't then you may as well shoot yourself in the head as undergo a destructive

Re: [singularity] Multi-Multi-....-Multiverse

2008-02-02 Thread gifting
in Science Fiction. A bit of fantasizing should be allowed!! Gudrun On 2 Feb 2008, at 08:54, Samantha Atkins wrote: WTF does this have to do with AGI or Singularity? I hope the AGI gets here soon. We Stupid Monkeys get damn tiresome. - samantha On Jan 29, 2008, at 7:06 AM, gifting wrote

Re: [singularity] Wrong focus?

2008-01-29 Thread gifting
On 29 Jan 2008, at 00:38, Thomas McCabe wrote: Check out Ramachandran: Without a doubt it is one of the most important discoveries ever made about the brain, Mirror neurons will do for psychology what DNA did for biology. They will provide a unifying framework and help explain a host of

Re: [singularity] Multi-Multi-....-Multiverse

2008-01-29 Thread gifting
On 29 Jan 2008, at 14:13, Vladimir Nesov wrote: On Jan 29, 2008 11:49 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, but why can't they all be dumped in a single 'normal' multiverse? If traveling between them is accommodated by 'decisions', there is a finite number of them for any given time,

Re: [singularity] Wrong focus?

2008-01-28 Thread gifting
Quoting Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gudrun: I think this is not about intelligence, but it is about our mind being inter-dependent (also via evolution) with senses and body. Sorry, I've lost a subsequent post in which you went on to say that the very terms mind and body in this context

Re: [singularity] Wrong focus?

2008-01-28 Thread gifting
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jan 28, 2008 7:56 AM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: X:Of course this is a variation on the grounding problem in AI. But do you think some sort of **absolute** grounding is relevant to effective interaction between individual agents (assuming you think

Re: [singularity] The Extropian Creed by Ben

2008-01-27 Thread gifting
Quoting Samantha Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jan 26, 2008, at 11:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Natasha Vita-More [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At 03:04 PM 1/24/2008, Gudrun wrote: and N. Vita-More This is confusing. Fine that extropians want to self-improve. That ALL humanity should

Re: [singularity] The Extropian Creed by Ben

2008-01-27 Thread gifting
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gudrun: I am an artist who is interested in science, in utopia and seemi ngly impossible projects. I also came across a lot of artists with OC traits. ... The OCAP, actually the obsessive compulsive 'arctificial' project ..

Re: [singularity] Wrong focus?

2008-01-27 Thread gifting
Quoting Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tom:A computer is not disembodied any more than you are. Silicon, as a substrate, is fully equivalent to biological neurons in terms of theoretical problem-solving ability. You've been fooled by the puppet. It doesn't work without the puppeteer. And

Re: [singularity] Wrong focus?

2008-01-27 Thread gifting
Quoting Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 27/01/2008, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the evidence of billions of years of evolution says that the mind doesn't work without the body. No body, no mind. No physics, no psychology, no AI. If it can't move, it can't think. (And I

Re: [singularity] Wrong focus?

2008-01-27 Thread gifting
On 27 Jan 2008, at 16:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 27/01/2008, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the evidence of billions of years of evolution says that the mind doesn't work without the body. No body, no mind. No physics, no

Fwd: [singularity] The Extropian Creed by Ben

2008-01-27 Thread gifting
Hi Mike, Correction in text, Simon Baron Cohen, not Sacha Baron Cohen. Gudrun Begin forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27 January 2008 15:32:14 GMT To: singularity@v2.listbox.com Cc: singularity@v2.listbox.com, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [singularity] The

Re: [singularity] The Extropian Creed by Ben

2008-01-26 Thread gifting
Quoting Natasha Vita-More [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At 01:53 PM 1/25/2008, you wrote: On Jan 25, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Natasha Vita-More wrote and Samantha Atkins wrote The idea of useless technology is developed in wearables more than in bioart. Steve's perspective is more political than artistic

Re: [singularity] The Extropian Creed by Ben

2008-01-24 Thread gifting
Hello all of you , I have read this correspondence with great interest. On 20 Jan 2008, at 14:17, Vladimir Nesov wrote: If one argues for personal moral freedom, it's not about enforcing freedom on others, it's about liberating oneself from influence of others. Vladimir Others will always