Re: [singularity] Apology to the list, and a more serious commentary on AIXI

2007-03-11 Thread Cenny Wenner
I'm still relatively new to the field so of course i do not put a lot of strength behind my opinions. I think there are some clarifications here that could be useful, although it is highly improbable that you need them. My overall argument is completely vindicated by what you say here. (My

Re: [singularity] Apology to the list, and a more serious commentary on AIXI

2007-03-09 Thread Richard Loosemore
Ben Goertzel wrote: Sorry, but I simply do not accept that you can make do really well on a long series of IQ tests into a computable function without getting tangled up in an implicit homuncular trap (i.e. accidentally assuming some real intelligence in the computable function). Let me

Re: [singularity] Apology to the list, and a more serious commentary on AIXI

2007-03-09 Thread Richard Loosemore
Ben Goertzel wrote: I agree that, to compare humans versus AIXI on an IQ test in a fully fair way (that tests only intelligence rather than prior knowledge) would be hard, because there is no easy way to supply AIXI with the same initial knowledge state that the human has. Regarding whether

Re: [singularity] Apology to the list, and a more serious commentary on AIXI

2007-03-09 Thread Ben Goertzel
Alas, that was not quite the question at issue... In the proof of AIXI's ability to solve the IQ test, is AIXI *allowed* to go so far as to simulate most of the functionality of a human brain in order to acquire its ability? I am not asking you to make a judgment call on whether or not it

Re: [singularity] Apology to the list, and a more serious commentary on AIXI

2007-03-09 Thread Richard Loosemore
Ben Goertzel wrote: Alas, that was not quite the question at issue... In the proof of AIXI's ability to solve the IQ test, is AIXI *allowed* to go so far as to simulate most of the functionality of a human brain in order to acquire its ability? I am not asking you to make a judgment call

Re: [singularity] Apology to the list, and a more serious commentary on AIXI

2007-03-09 Thread Ben Goertzel
AIXI is valueless. Well, I agree that AIXI provides zero useful practical guidance to those of us working on practical AGI systems. However, as I clarified in a prior longer post, saying that mathematics is valueless is always a risky proposition. Statements of this nature have been

Re: [singularity] Apology to the list, and a more serious commentary on AIXI

2007-03-08 Thread Russell Wallace
On 3/8/07, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me put it this way: would AIXI, in building an implementation of this function, have to make use of a universe (or universe simulation) that *implicitly* included intelligences that were capable of creating the IQ tests? So, if there

Re: [singularity] Apology to the list, and a more serious commentary on AIXI

2007-03-08 Thread Shane Legg
On 3/8/07, Peter Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's about time that some else said that the AIXI emperor has no clothes. Infinite computing power arguments prove **nothing**. That depends on exactly what you mean by prove nothing. For example, you can use the AIXI model to prove that no

Re: [singularity] Apology to the list, and a more serious commentary on AIXI

2007-03-08 Thread Shane Legg
On 3/8/07, Peter Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AIXI certainly doesn't prove that AGI is possible. I agree. The human brain is what makes me think that it's possible. Shane - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: