RE: [singularity] John Searle...

2007-10-26 Thread candice schuster
to be real. Candice Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:11:04 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [singularity] John Searle... To: singularity@v2.listbox.com --- candice schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In all of my previous posts, most of them anyhow I have mentioned consciousness, today

Re: [singularity] John Searle...

2007-10-26 Thread Richard Loosemore
-0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: singularity@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [singularity] John Searle... candice schuster wrote: Richard, Thank you for a thought provoking response. I admire your ability to think with both logic and reason. I think what Searle was trying to get

Re: [singularity] John Searle...

2007-10-26 Thread Allen Majorovic
Pardon me for butting in and apologies if I've missed some crucial point or complex idea but having dug up a synopsis of John Searles argument: A man is in a room with a book of rules. Chinese sentences are passed under the door to him. The man looks up in his book of rules how to process the

Re: [singularity] John Searle...

2007-10-26 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 26/10/2007, Allen Majorovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that Mr. Searles is suggesting that because some people (intelligences) are cooks, i.e. work from a set of rules they don't understand, this somehow proves that chemists, i.e. people who *do* understand the set of rules,

Re: [singularity] John Searle...

2007-10-26 Thread Charles D Hixson
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:02:35 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: singularity@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [singularity] John Searle... candice schuster wrote: Richard, ... - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options

Re: [singularity] John Searle...

2007-10-26 Thread Richard Loosemore
Charles D Hixson wrote: Richard Loosemore wrote: candice schuster wrote: Richard, Your responses to me seem to go in round abouts. No insult intended however. You say the AI will in fact reach full consciousness. How on earth would that ever be possible ? I think I recently (last

Re: [singularity] John Searle...(supplement to prior post)

2007-10-26 Thread Charles D Hixson
I noticed in a later read that you differentiate between systems designed to operate via goal stacks and those operating via motivational system. This is not the meaning of goal that I was using. To me, if a motive is a theory to prove, then a goal is a lemma needed to prove the theory. I

Re: [singularity] John Searle...(supplement to prior post)

2007-10-26 Thread Richard Loosemore
Charles D Hixson wrote: I noticed in a later read that you differentiate between systems designed to operate via goal stacks and those operating via motivational system. This is not the meaning of goal that I was using. To me, if a motive is a theory to prove, then a goal is a lemma needed

RE: [singularity] John Searle...

2007-10-26 Thread candice schuster
to avoid the confusion caused by brief glimpses of the larger picture].Richard LoosemoreCandice Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:02:35 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: singularity@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [singularity] John Searle... candice schuster wrote:Richard

Re: [singularity] John Searle...

2007-10-25 Thread Kaj Sotala
On 10/25/07, candice schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what Searle was trying to get at was this...and I have read 'The Chinese Room Theory'...I think that what he was trying to say was...if the human brain breaks down code like a machine does, that does not make it understand the logic

Re: [singularity] John Searle...

2007-10-25 Thread Richard Loosemore
Kaj Sotala wrote: On 10/25/07, candice schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what Searle was trying to get at was this...and I have read 'The Chinese Room Theory'...I think that what he was trying to say was...if the human brain breaks down code like a machine does, that does not make it

Re: [singularity] John Searle...

2007-10-25 Thread Richard Loosemore
candice schuster wrote: Richard, Thank you for a thought provoking response. I admire your ability to think with both logic and reason. I think what Searle was trying to get at was this...and I have read 'The Chinese Room Theory'...I think that what he was trying to say was...if the human

Re: [singularity] John Searle...

2007-10-25 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- candice schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In all of my previous posts, most of them anyhow I have mentioned consciousness, today I found myself reading some of John Searle's theories, he poses exactly the same type of question...The reason computers can't do semantics is because semantics