Re: Infinitely Unlikely Coincidences [WAS Re: [singularity] AI critique by Jaron Lanier]

2008-02-17 Thread John Ku
On 2/17/08, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If computation is multiply realizable, it could be seen as being implemented by an endless variety of physical systems, with the right mapping or interpretation, since anything at all could be arbitrarily chosen to represent a tape, a

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2008-02-17 Thread Bruno Frandemiche
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Re: Infinitely Unlikely Coincidences [WAS Re: [singularity] AI critique by Jaron Lanier]

2008-02-17 Thread Richard Loosemore
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17/02/2008, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first problem arises from Lanier's trick of claiming that there is a computer, in the universe of all possible computers, that has a machine architecture and a machine state that is isomorphic to BOTH the

Re: Infinitely Unlikely Coincidences [WAS Re: [singularity] AI critique by Jaron Lanier]

2008-02-17 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When people like Lanier allow themselves the luxury of positing infinitely large computers (who else do we know who does this? Ah, yes, the AIXI folks), they can make infinitely unlikely coincidences happen. It is a commonly accepted practice

Re: [singularity] AI critique by Jaron Lanier

2008-02-17 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- John Ku [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/16/08, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would prefer to leave behind these counterfactuals altogether and try to use information theory and control theory to achieve a precise understanding of what it is for something to be the

Re: Infinitely Unlikely Coincidences [WAS Re: [singularity] AI critique by Jaron Lanier]

2008-02-17 Thread Richard Loosemore
Matt Mahoney wrote: --- Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When people like Lanier allow themselves the luxury of positing infinitely large computers (who else do we know who does this? Ah, yes, the AIXI folks), they can make infinitely unlikely coincidences happen. It is a commonly

Re: [singularity] AI critique by Jaron Lanier

2008-02-17 Thread John Ku
On 2/17/08, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nevertheless we can make similar reductions to absurdity with respect to qualia, that which distinguishes you from a philosophical zombie. There is no experiment to distinguish whether you actually experience redness when you see a red

Re: Infinitely Unlikely Coincidences [WAS Re: [singularity] AI critique by Jaron Lanier]

2008-02-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 18/02/2008, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last statement you make, though, is not quite correct: with a jumbled up sequence of episodes during which the various machines were running the brain code, he whole would lose its coherence, because input from the world would now

Re: [singularity] AI critique by Jaron Lanier

2008-02-17 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- John Ku [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/17/08, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nevertheless we can make similar reductions to absurdity with respect to qualia, that which distinguishes you from a philosophical zombie. There is no experiment to distinguish whether you actually