Re: [singularity] RE: the musical singularity

2006-10-24 Thread Mark Nuzzolilo II
If anyone is interested, there is a short list of singularity music here (no downloads though). I am not assuming that all of them even have lyrics; sometimes they will include a track because of how it is named. http://www.fusionanomaly.net/singularity.html Mark N - This list is

Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-24 Thread Richard Loosemore
Starglider wrote: You know my position on 'complex systems science'; yet to do anything useful, unlikely to ever help in AGI, would create FAI-incompatible systems even if it could. And you know my position is that this is completely wrong. For the sake of those who do not know about this

Re: [singularity] Convincing non-techie skeptics that the Singularity isn't total bunk

2006-10-24 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Oct 23, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Gregory Johnson wrote: I most certainly am not a proponent of the military industrial complex as opposed to the Japanese and German business models , but it is my sense that that is not where the world is headed at the moment. Huh? J. Andrew Rogers -

Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-24 Thread Starglider
I have no wish to rehash the fairly futile and extremely disruptive discussion of Loosemore's assertions that occurred on the SL4 mailing list. I am willing to address the implicit questions/assumptions about my own position. Richard Loosemore wrote: The contribution of complex systems science

Re: Re: [singularity] Defining the Singularity

2006-10-24 Thread Ben Goertzel
Loosemore wrote: The motivational system of some types of AI (the types you would classify as tainted by complexity) can be made so reliable that the likelihood of them becoming unfriendly would be similar to the likelihood of the molecules of an Ideal Gas suddenly deciding to split into

Re: [singularity] Kurzweil vs. de Garis - You Vote!

2006-10-24 Thread Hank Conn
About de Garis... I feel the same as others on this listhave expressed...in that he is definitively loony. I also have very strong doubts about Kurzweil's model of how the Singularity is going to unfold. Here's what Eliezer had to say 4 years ago about Kurzweil... (I imagine this is

Re: Re: Re: Re: [singularity] Kurzweil vs. de Garis - You Vote!

2006-10-24 Thread Ben Goertzel
Right - for the record when I use words like loony in this sort of context I'm not commenting on how someone might come across face to face (never having met him), nor on what a psychiatrist's report would read (not being a psychiatrist) - I'm using the word in exactly the same way that I would