Re: [Sks-devel] SKS should not accept or replay non-exportable certifications

2013-09-15 Thread David Shaw
On Sep 14, 2013, at 1:51 AM, John Clizbe jpcli...@gingerbear.net wrote: I agree with Werner and Dave Shaw that you are wrong. If you are so convinced you are correct, post, with _ALL_ the particulars not just those that support your stance, to the IETF-OpenPGP list and get their opinion. To

Re: [Sks-devel] SKS should not accept or replay non-exportable certifications

2013-09-14 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 9/14/2013 3:08 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: Let me also be clearer about why i find this bug serious... I am still not seeing why this bug is serious. It still seems to be a case of mountains and molehills. I have told numerous people that the keyserver network will not propagate

Re: [Sks-devel] SKS should not accept or replay non-exportable certifications

2013-09-14 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 09/14/2013 05:00 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: [dkg wrote]: I have told numerous people that the keyserver network will not propagate local signatures. This is true. No, unfortunately, it is not true in any way for SKS 1.1.4 (and probably earlier versions, though i have not tested). In

Re: [Sks-devel] SKS should not accept or replay non-exportable certifications

2013-09-14 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2013-09-13 at 20:33 -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: In what bizarro universe is SKS an implementation of RFC4880? Well it uses/processes OpenPGP message formats (i.e. by storing/publishing them). ___ Sks-devel mailing list Sks-devel@nongnu.org

Re: [Sks-devel] SKS should not accept or replay non-exportable certifications

2013-09-14 Thread John Clizbe
Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: On 09/14/2013 05:00 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: [dkg wrote]: I have told numerous people that the keyserver network will not propagate local signatures. This is true. No, unfortunately, it is not true in any way for SKS 1.1.4 (and probably earlier versions,

Re: [Sks-devel] SKS should not accept or replay non-exportable certifications

2013-09-14 Thread Jason Harris
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 08:46:05PM -0500, John Clizbe wrote: As I see it, we have two related problems here, both involving the no-export signature flag: 2) JimBob lsigns his own key, creating a non-exportable selfsig then delsigs all of the exportable selfsigs. This is shooting oneself in

Re: [Sks-devel] SKS should not accept or replay non-exportable certifications

2013-09-13 Thread John Clizbe
Phil Pennock wrote: On 2013-09-12 at 19:40 -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: While this seems like it is probably a fixable bug for someone who knows their way around the codebase, I forsee problems with synchronizing the pool, if some SKS keyservers start following the spec and others remain

Re: [Sks-devel] SKS should not accept or replay non-exportable certifications

2013-09-13 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 9/13/2013 5:48 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: RFC 4880 is explicit: Some implementations do not represent the interest of a single user (for example, a key server). Such implementations always trim local certifications from any key they handle. I don't see a MUST in there. The

Re: [Sks-devel] SKS should not accept or replay non-exportable certifications

2013-09-13 Thread John Clizbe
Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: Someoneā„¢ (0x75D292D353ADACCD) made a non-exportable certification on your user ID John P. Clizbe jpcli...@keyservers.net (2048R/0x2313315C435BD034). Someone else uploaded that key to a keyserver (ok, i admit it was me :P). The keyserver network is currently

Re: [Sks-devel] SKS should not accept or replay non-exportable certifications

2013-09-13 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2013-09-13 at 18:09 -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: Did anyone on this list expect the keyserver network to propagate non-exportable certifications? Nah,... not really, IMHO it should be considered a bug, and ideally such existing signatures should be removed if possible. And I guess

[Sks-devel] SKS should not accept or replay non-exportable certifications

2013-09-12 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
SKS appears to be in violation of RFC4880 by freely importing and exporting non-exportable certifications. Background -- The OpenPGP specification includes a certification subpacket known as Exportable Certification. When present, and set to 0, it indicates that the certification is