Re: [Sks-devel] The end of an Era

2019-08-13 Thread Philihp Busby
I heard @valodim was writing a keyserver in Rust, and has made a lot of really great progress. His code is open source and very easy to read. On 2019-08-12T23:34:49Z (04:34PM -0700) Skip Carter sed: On Mon, 2019-08-12 at 11:13 -0500, Daniel Roesler wrote: There is no prominent alternative

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> Fair enough. Then you're ignoring the consequences (or rather believe > that none exist) rather than saying that the GDPR wouldn't apply to US- > based operators. Enforcement is the sine qua non of law. GDPR does not apply to purely US-based operators because there is no way for the EU to

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Tobias Mueller
Hi, On Tue, 2019-08-13 at 11:59 -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > If I, as a US citizen with no > overseas business ties, receive a GDPR notice, I'm going to laugh and > throw it away as it's not binding within the US. The EU can't even > haul me into court over it. Fair enough. Then you're

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Ryan Hunt
I don't believe anything you do in public has any expectation of privacy.. no moral qualms about it. On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:09 AM Philihp Busby wrote: > You should respect their right to privacy, if not for legal ones, then > moral. > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 16:04 Ryan Hunt wrote: > >>

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Philihp Busby
You should respect their right to privacy, if not for legal ones, then moral. On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 16:04 Ryan Hunt wrote: > EU Can write whatever it wants down on a piece of paper, but that dont > mean its anything more than a piece of paper to me... they have no > authority here, I don't

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Ryan Hunt
EU Can write whatever it wants down on a piece of paper, but that dont mean its anything more than a piece of paper to me... they have no authority here, I don't recognize their authority and there is absolutely nothing that they can do about it.. So it dont really matter if they say its

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Robert J. Hansen
>> There are (or at least were) a large number of US-based keyserver >> operators who were immune to the GDPR. > > I fail to see how this is in accordance with the GDPR. The EU is free to claim whatever authority it wants, but until it can enforce that authority it's bluster. If I, as a US

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Tobias Mueller
Hi, On Tue, 2019-08-13 at 11:00 -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > > They are! > > No, they're not. I think your assessment is wrong. > > There are (or at least were) a large number of US-based keyserver > operators who were immune to the GDPR. I fail to see how this is in accordance with the

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Klaus-Uwe Mitterer via Sks-devel
None of that is correct. The GDPR does not only apply to business entities, it does not only apply to trade, it does not only apply to EU citizens and it does not only apply in EU member nations. For a short introduction, look at this article:

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> They are! No, they're not. GDPR only applies to business entities that trade with EU citizens in EU member nations. If a German boards a flight in Colorado to travel to Texas, they don't get to claim GDPR protections on their tickets. It's once the flight connects to an EU member state the

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Hendrik Visage
Yakamo, Hmmm… please define/explain how servers hosted in the Republic of South Africa is subjected to GDPR? (We have our own/similar version, but NOT GDPR) > On 13 Aug 2019, at 15:59 , st...@yakamo.org wrote: > > They are! > > Yakamo > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:57:37 -0500 > Travis Megee

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread stuff
They are! Yakamo On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:57:37 -0500 Travis Megee wrote: > You're also assuming all admins are subject to GDPR. > > Travis > > On 8/13/2019 8:56 AM, st...@yakamo.org wrote: > > Also would like to point out that this is Kristian covering his own ass not > > the admins! > > > >

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Travis Megee
You're also assuming all admins are subject to GDPR. Travis On 8/13/2019 8:56 AM, st...@yakamo.org wrote: > Also would like to point out that this is Kristian covering his own ass not > the admins! > > Please read it again! > > Yakamo > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:46:39 +0200 > Tobias Frei

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread stuff
Also would like to point out that this is Kristian covering his own ass not the admins! Please read it again! Yakamo On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:46:39 +0200 Tobias Frei wrote: > Hi Yakamo, > > Have you already seen these two messages? > >

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread stuff
Yes i have, and the important key part here is that it was sent to the wrong individual to handle it. So it was dismissed, its important to take note of that. Kristian has made the error in assuming this covers the admins, it does not! That person needs to reapply and make sure they are

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread Tobias Frei
Hi Yakamo, Have you already seen these two messages? https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sks-devel/2019-02/msg00070.html https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sks-devel/2019-03/msg00026.html Best regards Tobias Frei Am 13.08.19 um 15:41 schrieb st...@yakamo.org: Hi Boti, SKS servers are

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread stuff
Hi Boti, SKS servers are breaking the GDPR in multiple ways, its just a matter of time before something happens. All it would take is one motivated person and things get serious real quick. Especially i would say right now for the admin of mattrude or any others allowing the free distribution

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread boti
In many country of EU there were a period of patience to let firms fully covers their GDPR implementation. However we have GDPR in effect last two years but authorities still had a so called "soft" penalty or no penalty just warn practice which is nearly over.In mid and longer term the penalty

Re: [Sks-devel] The pool is shrinking

2019-08-13 Thread stuff
ive seen it go as low as 12. On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:38:44 +0200 (CEST) "Kiss Gabor (Bitman)" wrote: > > > At this moment there is only 27 members of pool.sks-keyservers.net. > > > > JFR: The new negative record is 25... > > 21. > > Gabor > > ___ >

Re: [Sks-devel] The end of an Era

2019-08-13 Thread Michiel van Baak
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 04:34:49PM -0700, Skip Carter wrote: > On Mon, 2019-08-12 at 11:13 -0500, Daniel Roesler wrote: > I agree that it is important that there be a decentralized key sharing > service. Given the fragility of sks and the apparent lack of > developers willing to take up the task