Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Xavier Maillard]

David O'Shaughnessy  writes:


On 02/05/2018 04:07 PM, Μιχάλης Μιχαλούδης wrote:
I had *terrified* with some comments here so I was skeptical 
before visiting.


_I like the new site._ It's better for me.

Thank you guys.


I'm happy with it too, looks like a worthwhile update to me.


I have absolutely no opinion on this given the fact I rarely visit 
it and even less using any "modern GUI" tool.


Keep up the good SBo work !

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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[David O'Shaughnessy]

On 02/05/2018 04:07 PM, Μιχάλης Μιχαλούδης wrote:
> I had *terrified* with some comments here so I was skeptical before visiting.
> 
> _I like the new site._ It's better for me.
> 
> Thank you guys.

I'm happy with it too, looks like a worthwhile update to me.

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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Μιχάλης Μιχαλούδης]

I had *terrified* with some comments here so I was skeptical before visiting.

_I like the new site._ It's better for me.

Thank you guys.
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Harald Achitz]

just seen that the layout improved over the first versions.
great work, thanks !
/Harald

2018-01-25 23:48 GMT+01:00 B Watson :

> On 1/25/18, Didier Spaier  wrote:
> >
> > So, short of finding a volunteer to review 6918 READMEs one by one
> > (anyone?), I suggest that maintainers edit manually their READMEs if
> > they want, on the occasion of an update for instance.
>
> Edit them how?
>
> Getting rid of line breaks, so a paragraph is on one line, might fix the
> wrapping issue on the website, but the README isn't exclusively used by
> the site (if it were, we could just decree that it has to be written in
> HTML instead of plain text). Extra-long lines would probably cause problems
> with tools like sbopkg and sbotools.
>
> It would also at least be annoying for anyone running SlackBuilds
> manually: I usually use "cat README", and it comes out nicely
> word-wrapped, with whatever list/etc formatting the author used looking
> like it's supposed to look.
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[B Watson]

On 1/25/18, Didier Spaier  wrote:
>
> So, short of finding a volunteer to review 6918 READMEs one by one
> (anyone?), I suggest that maintainers edit manually their READMEs if
> they want, on the occasion of an update for instance.

Edit them how?

Getting rid of line breaks, so a paragraph is on one line, might fix the
wrapping issue on the website, but the README isn't exclusively used by
the site (if it were, we could just decree that it has to be written in
HTML instead of plain text). Extra-long lines would probably cause problems
with tools like sbopkg and sbotools.

It would also at least be annoying for anyone running SlackBuilds
manually: I usually use "cat README", and it comes out nicely
word-wrapped, with whatever list/etc formatting the author used looking
like it's supposed to look.
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Matteo Bernardini]

2018-01-25 22:59 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier :
> Le 25/01/2018 à 22:46, Andrzej Telszewski a écrit :
>> On 25/01/18 22:11, Didier Spaier wrote:
>>> So, short of finding a volunteer to review 6918 READMEs one by one
>>> (anyone?), I suggest that maintainers edit manually their READMEs if
>>> they want, on the occasion of an update for instance.
>>
>> That will not happen ;-)
>>
>> The READMEs are standardized:
>> https://slackbuilds.org/templates/README
>
>
> Until/unless the admins accept longer lines.

as READMEs should be readable also in consoles (80x25), IMHO, they
should be fine with the present standard.

Matteo
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Alexander Verbovetsky]

Hello,

> Until/unless the admins accept longer lines.

For my enlarged font size, lines now are perfect. And everything in the
new site is perfect. Thanks a lot!

Best regards,
Alexander
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Didier Spaier]

Le 25/01/2018 à 22:46, Andrzej Telszewski a écrit :
> On 25/01/18 22:11, Didier Spaier wrote:
>> So, short of finding a volunteer to review 6918 READMEs one by one
>> (anyone?), I suggest that maintainers edit manually their READMEs if
>> they want, on the occasion of an update for instance.
> 
> That will not happen ;-)
> 
> The READMEs are standardized:
> https://slackbuilds.org/templates/README


Until/unless the admins accept longer lines.
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Andrzej Telszewski]

On 25/01/18 22:11, Didier Spaier wrote:

So, short of finding a volunteer to review 6918 READMEs one by one
(anyone?), I suggest that maintainers edit manually their READMEs if
they want, on the occasion of an update for instance.


That will not happen ;-)

The READMEs are standardized:
https://slackbuilds.org/templates/README

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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Didier Spaier]

Hello,

Le 24/01/2018 à 09:37, David Woodfall a écrit :
> The readme info is generated from the supplied README for the
> slackbuild by reading it in php, formatting it, and then printing
> between  tags.
> 
> I've had a look to see if/how the wrapping amount could be changed to
> help fill out the page width, but I'm afraid it's not really possible
> to tell if two adjacent lines should be wrapped together, or whether
> the next line should be on a newline, such as in a list for example.
> 
> Dave

I downloaded the slackbuilds-14.2-20180120.1 from git to figure out and
I agree with you, that's not as simple as I hoped it could be.

So, short of finding a volunteer to review 6918 READMEs one by one
(anyone?), I suggest that maintainers edit manually their READMEs if
they want, on the occasion of an update for instance.

Again, thanks for your work, Dave.

Greetings,

Didier
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Ed Ender]

That looks great to me now. I like how the search is on every page! Thanks!!!
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Erik Hanson]

On 01/25/2018 07:55 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2018, Erik Hanson wrote:
> 
>> That aside, the search box caused broken layout for many people, for as
>> long as it existed. It's neigh-on-impossible to wedge a form element into
>> an existing layout, because apparently every browser has some slightly
>> different way of rendering things, and there's just no good way around
>> it.
>> Many attempts were made, and it could look good for one person in a
>> specific browser, but broken/ugly for everyone else. The move to a
>> separate search page is, in my opinion, a necessary compromise.
> 
> Erik,
> 
>   Thanks for the explanation ... and for the efforts all of you put into
> making the site work universally.

For what it's worth, I am not putting any effort in beyond some
suggestions, the heavy lifting is being done by David Woodfall. I am
happy to take the criticism and angry feedback people have, however.


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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Qun-Ying]

On 1/24/18, Ed Ender  wrote:
> I don't want to offend or tell anyone how to do what their doing, whatever
> you guys do the rest of us will just have to deal with. I just want to throw
> an idea at you, how hard would it be to do something like this:
> https://i.imgur.com/fzhSzvC.png

+1, this is good. The search bar should always visible.
Think about google's home page, the first page should be as simple as possible.

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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Andrzej Telszewski]

Hi,

(Nitpicking evening, because I actually never look there ;-)).

I would rearrange https://slackbuilds.org/contributors/ in the following 
way:


Hosting and Hardware
text

Donations
text

Contributions toward new hardware
text

with every contributor on a separate line (i.e. in un-ordered list or 
using line breaks).


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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[King Beowulf]

On 01/24/2018 10:01 PM, Erik Hanson wrote:
> On 01/24/2018 07:06 PM, Fernando Lopez wrote:
>> i know... but why to remove it from the search bar... now i have to do
>> an extra step...
> 
> Add a search bookmark to your browser, and then you have one less step
> from before. For years I've had it so I can type "sbo whatever" in the
> address field and it goes straight to the search results, in Chrome,
> Firefox, etc. You've been given tools to make life easier, you should
> use them.
> 
> That aside, the search box caused broken layout for many people, for as
> long as it existed. It's neigh-on-impossible to wedge a form element
> into an existing layout, because apparently every browser has some
> slightly different way of rendering things, and there's just no good way
> around it. Many attempts were made, and it could look good for one
> person in a specific browser, but broken/ugly for everyone else. The
> move to a separate search page is, in my opinion, a necessary compromise.
> 
> For anyone confused or angry about the recent changes, let me explain
> the motivation. The old CSS used a fixed width, a mix of scaled and
> fixed font sizes, .gif files for graphics, and these things caused it to
> not render correctly for a lot of people. The search box was
> frankensteined in at some point, and it never really "fit in" in a lot
> of use cases. For me, it always seemed to hang off the right side.
> 
> The CSS changes are meant to fix these issues, making the site render
> consistently across browsers, mobile or desktop, minimum font sizes,
> zoom levels, large and small displays with low or high DPIs, etc. This
> is an attempt to make things better for everyone, and I genuinely hope
> people can see that.
> 
> 

+1

-Ed




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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[King Beowulf]

On 01/24/2018 05:05 PM, Willy Sudiarto Raharjo wrote:
>> where is the search
>> box!
> 
> https://slackbuilds.org/search/
> 
> 

*giggle* It took me a moment to find the search as well.  I was grumpy
about the move at 1st but got used to it as the new location works
better on iOS.




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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 25 Jan 2018, Erik Hanson wrote:


That aside, the search box caused broken layout for many people, for as
long as it existed. It's neigh-on-impossible to wedge a form element into
an existing layout, because apparently every browser has some slightly
different way of rendering things, and there's just no good way around it.
Many attempts were made, and it could look good for one person in a
specific browser, but broken/ugly for everyone else. The move to a
separate search page is, in my opinion, a necessary compromise.


Erik,

  Thanks for the explanation ... and for the efforts all of you put into
making the site work universally.

Best regards,

Rich
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Fernando Lopez]

i thought excite was dead.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:37 PM, Ed Ender  wrote:

> I don't want to offend or tell anyone how to do what their doing, whatever
> you guys do the rest of us will just have to deal with. I just want to
> throw an idea at you, how hard would it be to do something like this:
> https://i.imgur.com/fzhSzvC.png
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Erik Hanson" [e...@slackbuilds.org]
> Date: 01/25/2018 12:12 AM
> To: slackbuilds-users@slackbuilds.org
> Subject: Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/
>
> On 01/24/2018 07:06 PM, Fernando Lopez wrote:
> > i know... but why to remove it from the search bar... now i have to do
> > an extra step...
>
> Add a search bookmark to your browser, and then you have one less step
> from before. For years I've had it so I can type "sbo whatever" in the
> address field and it goes straight to the search results, in Chrome,
> Firefox, etc. You've been given tools to make life easier, you should
> use them.
>
> That aside, the search box caused broken layout for many people, for as
> long as it existed. It's neigh-on-impossible to wedge a form element
> into an existing layout, because apparently every browser has some
> slightly different way of rendering things, and there's just no good way
> around it. Many attempts were made, and it could look good for one
> person in a specific browser, but broken/ugly for everyone else. The
> move to a separate search page is, in my opinion, a necessary compromise.
>
> For anyone confused or angry about the recent changes, let me explain
> the motivation. The old CSS used a fixed width, a mix of scaled and
> fixed font sizes, .gif files for graphics, and these things caused it to
> not render correctly for a lot of people. The search box was
> frankensteined in at some point, and it never really "fit in" in a lot
> of use cases. For me, it always seemed to hang off the right side.
>
> The CSS changes are meant to fix these issues, making the site render
> consistently across browsers, mobile or desktop, minimum font sizes,
> zoom levels, large and small displays with low or high DPIs, etc. This
> is an attempt to make things better for everyone, and I genuinely hope
> people can see that.
>
>
> --
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Ed Ender]

I don't want to offend or tell anyone how to do what their doing, whatever you 
guys do the rest of us will just have to deal with. I just want to throw an 
idea at you, how hard would it be to do something like this: 
https://i.imgur.com/fzhSzvC.png

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From: "Erik Hanson" [e...@slackbuilds.org]
Date: 01/25/2018 12:12 AM
To: slackbuilds-users@slackbuilds.org
Subject: Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

On 01/24/2018 07:06 PM, Fernando Lopez wrote:
> i know... but why to remove it from the search bar... now i have to do
> an extra step...

Add a search bookmark to your browser, and then you have one less step
from before. For years I've had it so I can type "sbo whatever" in the
address field and it goes straight to the search results, in Chrome,
Firefox, etc. You've been given tools to make life easier, you should
use them.

That aside, the search box caused broken layout for many people, for as
long as it existed. It's neigh-on-impossible to wedge a form element
into an existing layout, because apparently every browser has some
slightly different way of rendering things, and there's just no good way
around it. Many attempts were made, and it could look good for one
person in a specific browser, but broken/ugly for everyone else. The
move to a separate search page is, in my opinion, a necessary compromise.

For anyone confused or angry about the recent changes, let me explain
the motivation. The old CSS used a fixed width, a mix of scaled and
fixed font sizes, .gif files for graphics, and these things caused it to
not render correctly for a lot of people. The search box was
frankensteined in at some point, and it never really "fit in" in a lot
of use cases. For me, it always seemed to hang off the right side.

The CSS changes are meant to fix these issues, making the site render
consistently across browsers, mobile or desktop, minimum font sizes,
zoom levels, large and small displays with low or high DPIs, etc. This
is an attempt to make things better for everyone, and I genuinely hope
people can see that.


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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Erik Hanson]

On 01/24/2018 07:06 PM, Fernando Lopez wrote:
> i know... but why to remove it from the search bar... now i have to do
> an extra step...

Add a search bookmark to your browser, and then you have one less step
from before. For years I've had it so I can type "sbo whatever" in the
address field and it goes straight to the search results, in Chrome,
Firefox, etc. You've been given tools to make life easier, you should
use them.

That aside, the search box caused broken layout for many people, for as
long as it existed. It's neigh-on-impossible to wedge a form element
into an existing layout, because apparently every browser has some
slightly different way of rendering things, and there's just no good way
around it. Many attempts were made, and it could look good for one
person in a specific browser, but broken/ugly for everyone else. The
move to a separate search page is, in my opinion, a necessary compromise.

For anyone confused or angry about the recent changes, let me explain
the motivation. The old CSS used a fixed width, a mix of scaled and
fixed font sizes, .gif files for graphics, and these things caused it to
not render correctly for a lot of people. The search box was
frankensteined in at some point, and it never really "fit in" in a lot
of use cases. For me, it always seemed to hang off the right side.

The CSS changes are meant to fix these issues, making the site render
consistently across browsers, mobile or desktop, minimum font sizes,
zoom levels, large and small displays with low or high DPIs, etc. This
is an attempt to make things better for everyone, and I genuinely hope
people can see that.


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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Brian Barcus]

The narrow format doesn't bother me at all.  I kinda like it.  Often I use
the site with a terminal window open next to it and the narrow browser
window is gentle on screen space.

The extra step to get to the search is a little bit of a bother but that's
more about being different than bad.

Kudos for being perfectly usable without javascript or any sort of
questionable stuff found on most modern web pages.


On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Ed Ender  wrote:

> +1
> Yea, having the searchbox on the frontpage was a lot more useful than
> having it anywhere else.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Fernando Lopez" [fernando.lope...@gmail.com]
> Date: 01/24/2018 07:06 PM
> To: "SlackBuilds.org Users List" 
> Subject: Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/
>
> i know... but why to remove it from the search bar... now i have to do an
> extra step...
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Willy Sudiarto Raharjo <
> will...@slackbuilds.org> wrote:
> > where is the search
> > box!
>
> https://slackbuilds.org/search/
>
>
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Ed Ender]

+1
Yea, having the searchbox on the frontpage was a lot more useful than having it 
anywhere else.

-Original Message-
From: "Fernando Lopez" [fernando.lope...@gmail.com]
Date: 01/24/2018 07:06 PM
To: "SlackBuilds.org Users List" 
Subject: Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

i know... but why to remove it from the search bar... now i have to do an extra 
step...

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Willy Sudiarto Raharjo 
 wrote:
> where is the search
> box!

https://slackbuilds.org/search/


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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Fernando Lopez]

i know... but why to remove it from the search bar... now i have to do an
extra step...

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Willy Sudiarto Raharjo <
will...@slackbuilds.org> wrote:

> > where is the search
> > box!
>
> https://slackbuilds.org/search/
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Willy Sudiarto Raharjo]

> where is the search
> box!

https://slackbuilds.org/search/


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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Fernando Lopez]

where is the search
box












































On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM, Harald Achitz 
wrote:

> with firefox and the tree style tab the new site gives me a scroll bar on
> botton of the page
> very irritating, the old page did not do this
>
> on mobile, the menu bar + the search field  is super very small,
> unreadable for me
>
> 2018-01-24 16:09 GMT+01:00 David Woodfall :
>
>> And I thought this change was an accidental temporary thing.
>>> Why a new site layout that is not tested on mobile?
>>>
>>> Can you switch back please?
>>>
>>> send from my fairphone
>>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> What problems are you experiencing?
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2018 10:57, "Andrzej Telszewski" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,

 Just a quick note.

 You have to keep READMEs format and mono spaced font.
 Without it, bullet lists or other indentations won't work.

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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Harald Achitz]

with firefox and the tree style tab the new site gives me a scroll bar on
botton of the page
very irritating, the old page did not do this

on mobile, the menu bar + the search field  is super very small, unreadable
for me

2018-01-24 16:09 GMT+01:00 David Woodfall :

> And I thought this change was an accidental temporary thing.
>> Why a new site layout that is not tested on mobile?
>>
>> Can you switch back please?
>>
>> send from my fairphone
>>
>
> Hi
>
> What problems are you experiencing?
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2018 10:57, "Andrzej Telszewski"  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just a quick note.
>>>
>>> You have to keep READMEs format and mono spaced font.
>>> Without it, bullet lists or other indentations won't work.
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[David Woodfall]

El Miércoles 24/01/2018 a las 05:44, David Woodfall escribió:

>The layout looks pretty much the same for me. (Pale Moon 27.7.1)
>The only thing that I see weird is the search.
>#1 I have to manually wipe out the word 'Search' and enter my search term
> now. #2 the 'enter' button is slightly off. https://imgur.com/a/591tm

Hi

I've just fixed the 'search' box so it shouldn't print the text now.

I took out the search button some time ago, so that shouldn't show for
you.  Perhaps you need to do a ctrl-F5 to force a refresh.

Dave


Wow, I had to Ctrl+F5 too or I'd never have seen the new website :)
Strangely, Ctrl+R and Shift+F5 (which I usually use to refresh my browser's
cache) didn't have any effect.

BTW, wasn't HTTPS supposed to NOT cache web resources?

I have to say that I like the new look very much, but I agree with most that
the layout is too wide to my taste. If it can be made a little narrower I
think it'd be perfect :)

Oh, and +1 to monospaced font for the READMEs!


Done.


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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Ricardo J. Barberis]

El Miércoles 24/01/2018 a las 05:44, David Woodfall escribió:
> >The layout looks pretty much the same for me. (Pale Moon 27.7.1)
> >The only thing that I see weird is the search.
> > #1 I have to manually wipe out the word 'Search' and enter my search 
> > term
> > now. #2 the 'enter' button is slightly off. https://imgur.com/a/591tm
>
> Hi
>
> I've just fixed the 'search' box so it shouldn't print the text now.
>
> I took out the search button some time ago, so that shouldn't show for
> you.  Perhaps you need to do a ctrl-F5 to force a refresh.
>
> Dave

Wow, I had to Ctrl+F5 too or I'd never have seen the new website :)
Strangely, Ctrl+R and Shift+F5 (which I usually use to refresh my browser's 
cache) didn't have any effect.

BTW, wasn't HTTPS supposed to NOT cache web resources?

I have to say that I like the new look very much, but I agree with most that 
the layout is too wide to my taste. If it can be made a little narrower I 
think it'd be perfect :)

Oh, and +1 to monospaced font for the READMEs!

Cheers!
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[David Woodfall]

And I thought this change was an accidental temporary thing.
Why a new site layout that is not tested on mobile?

Can you switch back please?

send from my fairphone


Hi

What problems are you experiencing?


On Jan 24, 2018 10:57, "Andrzej Telszewski"  wrote:


Hi,

Just a quick note.

You have to keep READMEs format and mono spaced font.
Without it, bullet lists or other indentations won't work.

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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Matteo Bernardini]

2018-01-23 11:04 GMT+01:00 Didier Spaier :
> Hello,
>
> I like the new layout of the website with the new style sheet, clean and easy 
> to read. Thanks!

thanks also from me, David!
nice work!

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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Didier Spaier]

Hello,

Le 24/01/2018 à 13:04, Harald Achitz a écrit :
> And I thought this change was an accidental temporary thing. 
> Why a new site layout that is not tested on mobile?
> 
> Can you switch back please?

I would prefer to keep the new layout with enhancements,
part of which can be brought modifying the style sheet,
maybe providing alternate ones for specific viewports.

Didier
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Harald Achitz]

And I thought this change was an accidental temporary thing.
Why a new site layout that is not tested on mobile?

Can you switch back please?

send from my fairphone

On Jan 24, 2018 10:57, "Andrzej Telszewski"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just a quick note.
>
> You have to keep READMEs format and mono spaced font.
> Without it, bullet lists or other indentations won't work.
>
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Andrzej Telszewski]

Hi,

Just a quick note.

You have to keep READMEs format and mono spaced font.
Without it, bullet lists or other indentations won't work.

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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Ed Ender]

Yep, there it goes. now I got the new layout.
Now I am wondering if the searchbox was ok and it was just me needing that 
forced refresh.


-Original Message-
From: "David Woodfall" [d...@dawoodfall.net]
Date: 01/24/2018 02:45 AM
To: slackbuilds-users@slackbuilds.org
Subject: Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

>The layout looks pretty much the same for me. (Pale Moon 27.7.1)
>The only thing that I see weird is the search.
>   #1 I have to manually wipe out the word 'Search' and enter my search 
> term now.
>   #2 the 'enter' button is slightly off. https://imgur.com/a/591tm

Hi

I've just fixed the 'search' box so it shouldn't print the text now.

I took out the search button some time ago, so that shouldn't show for
you.  Perhaps you need to do a ctrl-F5 to force a refresh.

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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Ythogtha]

> >The layout looks pretty much the same for me. (Pale Moon 27.7.1)
> >The only thing that I see weird is the search.
> > #1 I have to manually wipe out the word 'Search' and enter my search
> > #term now. 2 the 'enter' button is slightly off.
> > #https://imgur.com/a/591tm
> 
> Hi
> 
> I've just fixed the 'search' box so it shouldn't print the text now.
> 
> I took out the search button some time ago, so that shouldn't show for
> you.  Perhaps you need to do a ctrl-F5 to force a refresh.
> 
> Dave

Hi !

I'm a web developer, amongst other things but nowadays I teach people
how to write websites, so maybe I could help ?
I know about HTML5, CSS3, responsive design, and a whole lot more of them
modern web buzzwords.
And I have some time at hand for a few months.

So if you want any help, I'd be pleased to !

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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[David Woodfall]

The layout looks pretty much the same for me. (Pale Moon 27.7.1)
The only thing that I see weird is the search.
#1 I have to manually wipe out the word 'Search' and enter my search 
term now.
#2 the 'enter' button is slightly off. https://imgur.com/a/591tm


Hi

I've just fixed the 'search' box so it shouldn't print the text now.

I took out the search button some time ago, so that shouldn't show for
you.  Perhaps you need to do a ctrl-F5 to force a refresh.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: "Rich Shepard" [rshep...@appl-ecosys.com]
Date: 01/23/2018 12:09 PM
To: "SlackBuilds.org Users List" 
Subject: Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, Jim Diamond wrote:


I see that (some) are inside a  tag.  Here is the start of qt5's blurb:

   
 14.2 >
 Libraries >
 qt5 (5.7.1)
   Qt is a cross-platform C++ application framework. Qt's
   primary featureis its rich set of widgets that provide
   standard GUI functionality.Optional dependencies:
   unixodbc, freetds, OpenAL, libwebp, opus, snappy,wayland,
   and postgresqlOptional


  Not sure this will help, but I offer it anyway. This is how the body of my
web site's 'markets served' page begins:


  

  Markets Served




  Introduction




  Natural resource industries interact intimately with natural
  ecosystems, and sometimes their operations cause adverse impacts on
  these environments and the plants and animals living in them; at
  times there are also potential impacts to humans. These conditions
  raise concerns by regulators that need to be avoided or efficiently
  and effectively resolved.




  Natural resource operations are also frequent targets of citizen
  groups and organizations. Their objections can have many origins,
  such as not in my backyard, or the idea that natural ecosystems are
  static and do not change with change being bad and man-caused change
  unacceptable, or not understanding that society depends on these
  operations and that they can be operated in an
  environmentally-responsible manner.

  




  The css3 script holds the formatting for each tag; e.g.,
.main p {
width: 60%;
padding: 0% 10% 0% 19%;
margin: 0% 10% 0% 2.5%;
}

HTH,

Rich
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[David Woodfall]

On 01/23/2018 09:14 AM, Petar Petrov wrote:

with all due respect, I don't like it. It looks squashed.

What's the point of having a wide layout, when the description of each
entry is still limited to 72 characters per line?

-petar




My thoughts as well. Lots of wasted white space on the right when you
view a SlackBuild's individual page. It's not a responsive layout so the
wasted space is there on mobile too.

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Hi

The readme info is generated from the supplied README for the
slackbuild by reading it in php, formatting it, and then printing
between  tags.

I've had a look to see if/how the wrapping amount could be changed to
help fill out the page width, but I'm afraid it's not really possible
to tell if two adjacent lines should be wrapped together, or whether
the next line should be on a newline, such as in a list for example.

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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Fernando Lopez]

what button!!

https://imgur.com/a/taoJa

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Ed Ender  wrote:

> The layout looks pretty much the same for me. (Pale Moon 27.7.1)
> The only thing that I see weird is the search.
> #1 I have to manually wipe out the word 'Search' and enter my
> search term now.
> #2 the 'enter' button is slightly off. https://imgur.com/a/591tm
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Rich Shepard" [rshep...@appl-ecosys.com]
> Date: 01/23/2018 12:09 PM
> To: "SlackBuilds.org Users List" 
> Subject: Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/
>
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, Jim Diamond wrote:
>
> > I see that (some) are inside a  tag.  Here is the start of qt5's
> blurb:
> >
> >
> >  14.2 >
> >  Libraries >
> >  qt5 (5.7.1)
> >Qt is a cross-platform C++ application framework. Qt's
> >primary featureis its rich set of widgets that provide
> >standard GUI functionality.Optional dependencies:
> >unixodbc, freetds, OpenAL, libwebp, opus, snappy,wayland,
> >and postgresqlOptional
>
>Not sure this will help, but I offer it anyway. This is how the body of
> my
> web site's 'markets served' page begins:
>
> 
>
>  
>Markets Served
>  
>
>
>  
>Introduction
>  
>
>
>  
>Natural resource industries interact intimately with natural
>ecosystems, and sometimes their operations cause adverse
> impacts on
>these environments and the plants and animals living in them; at
>times there are also potential impacts to humans. These
> conditions
>raise concerns by regulators that need to be avoided or
> efficiently
>and effectively resolved.
>  
>
>
>  
>Natural resource operations are also frequent targets of citizen
>groups and organizations. Their objections can have many
> origins,
>such as not in my backyard, or the idea that natural ecosystems
> are
>static and do not change with change being bad and man-caused
> change
>unacceptable, or not understanding that society depends on these
>operations and that they can be operated in an
>environmentally-responsible manner.
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>The css3 script holds the formatting for each tag; e.g.,
> .main p {
>  width: 60%;
>  padding: 0% 10% 0% 19%;
>  margin: 0% 10% 0% 2.5%;
> }
>
> HTH,
>
> Rich
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Ed Ender]

The layout looks pretty much the same for me. (Pale Moon 27.7.1)
The only thing that I see weird is the search.
#1 I have to manually wipe out the word 'Search' and enter my search 
term now.
#2 the 'enter' button is slightly off. https://imgur.com/a/591tm



-Original Message-
From: "Rich Shepard" [rshep...@appl-ecosys.com]
Date: 01/23/2018 12:09 PM
To: "SlackBuilds.org Users List" 
Subject: Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, Jim Diamond wrote:

> I see that (some) are inside a  tag.  Here is the start of qt5's blurb:
>
>
>  14.2 >
>  Libraries >
>  qt5 (5.7.1)
>Qt is a cross-platform C++ application framework. Qt's
>primary featureis its rich set of widgets that provide
>standard GUI functionality.Optional dependencies:
>unixodbc, freetds, OpenAL, libwebp, opus, snappy,wayland,
>and postgresqlOptional

   Not sure this will help, but I offer it anyway. This is how the body of my
web site's 'markets served' page begins:


   
 
   Markets Served
 
 

 
   Introduction
 
 

 
   Natural resource industries interact intimately with natural
   ecosystems, and sometimes their operations cause adverse impacts on
   these environments and the plants and animals living in them; at
   times there are also potential impacts to humans. These conditions
   raise concerns by regulators that need to be avoided or efficiently
   and effectively resolved.
 
 

 
   Natural resource operations are also frequent targets of citizen
   groups and organizations. Their objections can have many origins,
   such as not in my backyard, or the idea that natural ecosystems are
   static and do not change with change being bad and man-caused change
   unacceptable, or not understanding that society depends on these
   operations and that they can be operated in an
   environmentally-responsible manner.
 
   
   



   The css3 script holds the formatting for each tag; e.g.,
.main p {
 width: 60%;
 padding: 0% 10% 0% 19%;
 margin: 0% 10% 0% 2.5%;
}

HTH,

Rich
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, Jim Diamond wrote:


I see that (some) are inside a  tag.  Here is the start of qt5's blurb:

   
 14.2 >
 Libraries >
 qt5 (5.7.1)
   Qt is a cross-platform C++ application framework. Qt's
   primary featureis its rich set of widgets that provide
   standard GUI functionality.Optional dependencies:
   unixodbc, freetds, OpenAL, libwebp, opus, snappy,wayland,
   and postgresqlOptional


  Not sure this will help, but I offer it anyway. This is how the body of my
web site's 'markets served' page begins:


  

  Markets Served



  Introduction



  Natural resource industries interact intimately with natural
  ecosystems, and sometimes their operations cause adverse impacts on
  these environments and the plants and animals living in them; at
  times there are also potential impacts to humans. These conditions
  raise concerns by regulators that need to be avoided or efficiently
  and effectively resolved.



  Natural resource operations are also frequent targets of citizen
  groups and organizations. Their objections can have many origins,
  such as not in my backyard, or the idea that natural ecosystems are
  static and do not change with change being bad and man-caused change
  unacceptable, or not understanding that society depends on these
  operations and that they can be operated in an
  environmentally-responsible manner.

  
  

  The css3 script holds the formatting for each tag; e.g.,
.main p {
width: 60%;
padding: 0% 10% 0% 19%;
margin: 0% 10% 0% 2.5%;
}

HTH,

Rich
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Didier Spaier]

Le 23/01/2018 à 18:52, Rich Shepard a écrit :
>   In what version of html is the site written?

Ctrl+u in Firefox would have given you the answer: 

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xml:lang="en">

Didier


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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Jim Diamond]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 12:20 (-0500), B Watson wrote:

> On 1/23/18, Jim Diamond wrote:
>> You are right that turning line feeds into  seems like a bad idea.

> The descriptions are plain text, and sometimes have things like bulleted
> or numbered lists, done in text.

>   - Like this
>   - And this

> Some of them even have ASCII art... I shot myself in the foot on this
> issue with a script that reformatted all the READMEs to make them
> "better".

>> But why remove the line feeds?  Unless they are in pre-formatted text
>> are they not just white-space to HTML?

> IIRC, the descriptions used to be inside a  tag.

> Now they're not, so there has to be a way to preserve the formatting. What
> else is there besides  or adding a  at the end of each line?

I see that (some) are inside a  tag.  Here is the start of qt5's blurb:


  14.2 >
  Libraries >
  qt5 (5.7.1)
Qt is a cross-platform C++ application framework. Qt's
primary featureis its rich set of widgets that provide
standard GUI functionality.Optional dependencies:
unixodbc, freetds, OpenAL, libwebp, opus, snappy,wayland,
and postgresqlOptional
...

> (That's not a rhetorical question, I haven't paid attention to HTML
> standards for the last 15 or so years, so maybe there's a proper solution
> I never heard of?)
Maybe there is some web page whizz who can answer your question.  I
occasionally do things like

unnumbered list item 1
unnumbered list item 2
unnumbered list item 3
unnumbered list item 4

but since I avoid writing HTML like the plague, this is probably some
old-fashioned, pooh-poohed way of doing things.

Ji



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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, B Watson wrote:


Now they're not, so there has to be a way to preserve the formatting. What
else is there besides  or adding a  at the end of each line?


  In what version of html is the site written?

  I'm not a web developer (but have written and re-writtem my company web
site many times over the past 25 years). Now it's in html5 and css3. For the
latest revision (last last autumn) I found this site very helpful:
.

HTH,

Rich
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[B Watson]

On 1/23/18, Jim Diamond  wrote:
> You are right that turning line feeds into  seems like a bad idea.

The descriptions are plain text, and sometimes have things like bulleted
or numbered lists, done in text.

  - Like this
  - And this

Some of them even have ASCII art... I shot myself in the foot on this
issue with a script that reformatted all the READMEs to make them
"better".

> But why remove the line feeds?  Unless they are in pre-formatted text
> are they not just white-space to HTML?

IIRC, the descriptions used to be inside a  tag.

Now they're not, so there has to be a way to preserve the formatting. What
else is there besides  or adding a  at the end of each line?

(That's not a rhetorical question, I haven't paid attention to HTML
standards for the last 15 or so years, so maybe there's a proper solution
I never heard of?)
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Jim Diamond]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 15:45 (+0100), Didier Spaier wrote:

> Le 23/01/2018 à 15:14, Petar Petrov a écrit :
>> with all due respect, I don't like it. It looks squashed.

>> What's the point of having a wide layout, when the description of each
>> entry is still limited to 72 characters per line?

> I see in the source pages that the README is formatted with each
> line-feed converted to a  tag.

> Maybe just removing all line-feed and tagging the paragraphs inside
> ... or ... could do the trick.

You are right that turning line feeds into  seems like a bad idea.

But why remove the line feeds?  Unless they are in pre-formatted text
are they not just white-space to HTML?

Jim
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Jim Diamond]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 16:14 (+0200), Petar Petrov wrote:

> with all due respect, I don't like it. It looks squashed.

> What's the point of having a wide layout, when the description of each
> entry is still limited to 72 characters per line?

Also, I looked at www.slackbuilds.org/contributors/ and the
line-breaking is weird, so I looked at the source and I see explicit
s after some names, which makes the line breaking weird unless
my window is just the correct width for my font size.

Of course, the joy of web pages is that getting them to look right on
all sorts of different systems and all sorts of browsers is
practically impossible.  I avoid making web pages at all costs :-)

Cheers.

Jim
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Didier Spaier]

Le 23/01/2018 à 15:14, Petar Petrov a écrit :
> with all due respect, I don't like it. It looks squashed.
> 
> What's the point of having a wide layout, when the description of each
> entry is still limited to 72 characters per line?

I see in the source pages that the README is formatted with each
line-feed converted to a  tag.

Maybe just removing all line-feed and tagging the paragraphs inside
... or ... could do the trick.

Anyway I think that this issue can be solved while keeping a wide and
fluid layout. 

Didier
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, Gerardo Zamudio wrote:


My thoughts as well. Lots of wasted white space on the right when you view
a SlackBuild's individual page. It's not a responsive layout so the wasted
space is there on mobile too.


  +1 Not as easy to read as the page content is much wider than the previous
layout.

Rich
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Gerardo Zamudio]

On 01/23/2018 09:14 AM, Petar Petrov wrote:
> with all due respect, I don't like it. It looks squashed.
> 
> What's the point of having a wide layout, when the description of each
> entry is still limited to 72 characters per line?
> 
> -petar
> 


My thoughts as well. Lots of wasted white space on the right when you
view a SlackBuild's individual page. It's not a responsive layout so the
wasted space is there on mobile too.

-- 
Gerardo Zamudio




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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Petar Petrov]

with all due respect, I don't like it. It looks squashed.

What's the point of having a wide layout, when the description of each
entry is still limited to 72 characters per line?

-petar

2018-01-23 13:13 GMT+02:00 Fellype do Nascimento :
> On 01/23/2018 08:04 AM, Didier Spaier wrote:
>>
>> I like the new layout of the website with the new style sheet, clean and
>> easy to read. Thanks!
>>
> Yes, the new layout is much better now.
> I thank the SBo admins!
>
> Fellype
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Re: [Slackbuilds-users] New layout of https://slackbuilds.org/

[Fellype do Nascimento]

On 01/23/2018 08:04 AM, Didier Spaier wrote:

I like the new layout of the website with the new style sheet, clean and easy 
to read. Thanks!


Yes, the new layout is much better now.
I thank the SBo admins!

Fellype
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