Re: [SLUG] Vista .. anti-Linux ?

2006-04-29 Thread Benno
On Sat Apr 29, 2006 at 14:20:28 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benno: On Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 20:18:15 +1000, Malcolm V wrote: On Friday 28 April 2006 19:55, Adam Bogacki wrote: snipped http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/27/schneier_infosec/ Getting back to the topic, I believe that it is

Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)

2006-04-29 Thread telford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erik: It should also be easy to prove by now that either Rob or Peter has written more code than you, or anyone you can name that swears off test driven developement. We say that (as long as you ignore genuine knockoffs with only one user) based

[SLUG] Serious Printer Question -- Samsung CLP-550N

2006-04-29 Thread telford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here's a link to Samsung's page: http://www.samsung.com/au/products/printerfaxcopysolutions/printerfaxcopysolutions/clp_550n.asp I'm thinking about buying one of these printers, they are available under $800 and they support Postscript and

Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)

2006-04-29 Thread jam
On Saturday 29 April 2006 16:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With regards to last night's Slug meeting and using automated testing, I think everyone agrees that writing (and using) test cases produces higher quality code with less bugs. My point is that higher quality output doesn't come for

Re: [SLUG] Serious Printer Question -- Samsung CLP-550N

2006-04-29 Thread Graham Smith
On Saturday 29 April 2006 18:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a link to Samsung's page: http://www.samsung.com/au/products/printerfaxcopysolutions/printerfaxcopyso lutions/clp_550n.asp I'm thinking about buying one of these printers, they are available under $800 and they support

Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)

2006-04-29 Thread Robert Collins
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 16:55 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My favourite eg: PTC track (rail) transponder readers. I watched the 'expert consultant' spend 3500 hours, watched his tries and fumbles and finally fail the official 'type testing' acceptance. In 30 days I wrote the transponder

[SLUG] Ruby Sunday?

2006-04-29 Thread markt
Tomorrow is another Sunday. It does not have to be 'yet' another Sunday when you can get with Ruby! Darling Harbour is action stations at the Photo Imaging Expo. Two done, one to go, see excellent photos (just judged on Friday). And a two halls full of photo-stuff. $20 at the door. (Was free via

Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)

2006-04-29 Thread Ken Foskey
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 15:08 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Don't you think we may be right? Absolutely. I have written perl modules with test scripts and without. The ones with test scripts have always been faster to develop. This sounds absolutely wrong however it is what I have found.

Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)

2006-04-29 Thread Ken Foskey
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 19:34 +1000, Robert Collins wrote: wikipedia has a nice little article on this too : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_driven_development. There is a step missing from this document. We have to remember to test the test code a little bit. Write test. *** Run test,

Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)

2006-04-29 Thread Robert Collins
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 21:40 +1000, Ken Foskey wrote: On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 19:34 +1000, Robert Collins wrote: wikipedia has a nice little article on this too : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_driven_development. There is a step missing from this document. We have to remember to test

[SLUG] Question on ownerships and permissions of subversion respositories

2006-04-29 Thread Michael Lake
Hi all I have a question on ownerships and permissions of subversion respositories. I'm setting up a subversion repository to be used by a few users. I therefore didn't want to put the repository in some /home/somebody/ but into /var/lib/ i.e. next to where cvs respositories reside. This is a

Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)

2006-04-29 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik: It should also be easy to prove by now that either Rob or Peter has written more code than you, or anyone you can name that swears off test driven developement. We say that (as long as you ignore genuine knockoffs with only one user) based on our

Re: [SLUG] Question on ownerships and permissions of subversion respositories

2006-04-29 Thread Mike Lake
On Sat Apr 29, Michael Lake wrote: Hi all I have a question on ownerships and permissions of subversion respositories. /var/lib# chown -R root:src svnrepos/ Actually I'm also planning to have the repository browsable by Trac (an SCM system) so I'll probably need it also readable by

Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)

2006-04-29 Thread O Plameras
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 With regards to last night's Slug meeting and using automated testing, I think everyone agrees that writing (and using) test cases produces higher quality code with less bugs. My point is that higher quality output doesn't

Re: [SLUG] Serious Printer Question -- Samsung CLP-550N

2006-04-29 Thread Richard Neal
Have you looked at Brother, when i was doing my TCO calculations Brother was also very cheap and they have very good Linux support. On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 18:55 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking about buying one of these printers, they are available under $800 and they support

Re: [SLUG] Question on ownerships and permissions of subversion respositories

2006-04-29 Thread Christopher Vance
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 10:22:50PM +1000, Michael Lake wrote: I have a question on ownerships and permissions of subversion respositories. I'll be using svn+ssh. I have set up repos on an open/free OS for use with svn+ssh. svn+ssh means that repo access is protected by normal Unix

[SLUG] Hardware Question

2006-04-29 Thread Kevin Fitzgerald
Hi all I am building a Production FC4 box with Scalix (www.scalix.com) for use in a small site (12 users). The site is My church and I don't have Bucketloads of $$ to spend but I have two available boxes to build on. 1Ghz Celeron with 1.5Gb SDRAM (3 slots) 2.8Ghz P4 with 1Gb SDRAM (2 Slots)

[SLUG] Re: Paying Money for Quality (and software testing)

2006-04-29 Thread Matt Palmer
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 01:49:43PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With regards to last night's Slug meeting and using automated testing, I think everyone agrees that writing (and using) test cases produces higher quality code with less bugs. My point is that higher quality output doesn't

[SLUG] Permission problems on linode (Ubuntu 5.10)

2006-04-29 Thread Mary Gardiner
Asking here because I know some other people use Linode. (For people who don't know, a Linode is a UML image provided by linode.com. One important thing to note is that using a Linode means I am using a kernel build of theirs, not a distro provided kernel. Nor do I have opportunity to build my

Re: [SLUG] Serious Printer Question -- Samsung CLP-550N

2006-04-29 Thread jam
On Sunday 30 April 2006 10:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you looked at Brother, when i was doing my TCO calculations Brother was also very cheap and they have very good Linux support. On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 18:55 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking about buying one of these

Re: [SLUG] Hardware Question

2006-04-29 Thread Howard Lowndes
IMO, for what you are talking about, both machines are over-spec'd. Email is not time critical and 12 users and Samba will hardly cause any box to crack a sweat - we're not talking Windows here. If I had this situation I would use the 1GHz box, pull out 1Gb of RAM and sell it to recoup some of

Re: [SLUG] Permission problems on linode (Ubuntu 5.10)

2006-04-29 Thread Michael Fox
On 4/30/06, Mary Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # ls -l /dev/null crw-rw 1 root root 1, 3 2006-04-30 11:54 /dev/null It needs the rw other permission set, how you do that for a udev device not sure (as I dont suspect doing chmod 666 /dev/null will do it. (althougth this is how you

[SLUG] Mounting Flash Drive

2006-04-29 Thread john gibbons
Would some kind slugger please tell me what I have to type into the terminal to mount my flash drive in Fedora 4? John. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] Serious Printer Question -- Samsung CLP-550N

2006-04-29 Thread Graham Smith
On Sunday 30 April 2006 12:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 10:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you looked at Brother, when i was doing my TCO calculations Brother was also very cheap and they have very good Linux support. On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 18:55 +1000, [EMAIL

Re: [SLUG] Mounting Flash Drive

2006-04-29 Thread Peter Hodder
Is it a usb device? if so the following would do.On mine in the command prompt I used to type:mount -t msdos /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb-diskmsdos (is the file system, this can be any file system like ext2, ext3 etc.) /dev/sda1 (usb disk's use the scsi driver. like the hard drive its sd

Re: [SLUG] Paying Money for Quality

2006-04-29 Thread Malcolm V
On Saturday 29 April 2006 13:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped I've found a good practical example to demonstrate this... snipped The answer is that these people (and there are a lot of them) don't want to pay that bit extra for a quality printer. Adding Postscript to a printer is very much

Re: [SLUG] Mounting Flash Drive

2006-04-29 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Sunday 30 April 2006 14:45, Peter Hodder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it a usb device? if so the following would do. On mine in the command prompt I used to type: mount -t msdos /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb-disk msdos (is the file system, this can be any file system like ext2, ext3 etc.)

Re: [SLUG] Mounting Flash Drive

2006-04-29 Thread Dion
john gibbons wrote: Would some kind slugger please tell me what I have to type into the terminal to mount my flash drive in Fedora 4? John. I though core 4 would just detect in. Have you tried plugging it in and then looking with your favourite file browser in /media/usbdisk Does this not

[SLUG] Firefox 1.5 (FC5) and Plugins

2006-04-29 Thread Howard Lowndes
How do you install plugins in FF 1.5 (FC5) I can find no reference to plugins in any of the menus, nor in the preferences. I went to a site that required JRE so I downloaded it using the offered plugin finder screen (jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.rpm.bin), ran the install, and - nothing... When I go

Re: [SLUG] Firefox 1.5 (FC5) and Plugins

2006-04-29 Thread Howard Lowndes
OK, stupid me - read ALL of the installation instructions - including the symlink instructions. Sorry for the unnecessary noise. On Sun, April 30, 2006 15:11, Howard Lowndes wrote: How do you install plugins in FF 1.5 (FC5) I can find no reference to plugins in any of the menus, nor in the

Re: [SLUG] Firefox 1.5 (FC5) and Plugins

2006-04-29 Thread O Plameras
Howard Lowndes wrote: How do you install plugins in FF 1.5 (FC5) I can find no reference to plugins in any of the menus, nor in the preferences. I went to a site that required JRE so I downloaded it using the offered plugin finder screen (jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.rpm.bin), ran the install, and

Re: [SLUG] Permission problems on linode (Ubuntu 5.10)

2006-04-29 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Mary Gardiner The other day I changed from using a 2.4 kernel to their 2.6 kernel: Can you try their 2.6.16 kernel and report back? (That's what I'm running, it's finally TLS-happy too.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/