RE: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
Hey Joe, Can you unpack some of the issues you are having with the Imail / Declude combo? Perhaps it is more Imail than Declude. On the Imail side I totally agree. On the Declude side and its interaction with SmarterMail I think you may find it to be rock solid and better yet, hassle free. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Joe Wolf Sent: Wed 6/1/2005 21:03 To: sniffer@SortMonster.com Subject: Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail? Terry, Will take a look at it... never heard of it before. It may be going too far the other way. I'm not looking for something with fewer features than Imail. I don't think SquirrelMail will allow all the domain management features like Imail does (add, remove, modify users, passwords, lists, etc.) but I may be wrong. Thanks, Joe - Original Message - From: "Smart Business Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Joe Wolf" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail? > Joe, > > Wednesday, June 1, 2005 you wrote: > JW> If there's a better option than SmarterMail I'd love to hear it, > JW> but I can't compare a $4000+ server to a $600 one. > >hMailServer is free and open source. > >Once I finish the script work for calling Sniffer and the >work-around for ClamDscan and FPROT I'll post it. Clamdscan is the >service (daemon) for ClamAV. No reason that the daemon version of >Sniffer couldn't be used as well. > >The SquirrelMail web interface is not bad although it is PHP 4. >The web admin interface is pretty good, too, and can be php 5. > > > > > --- > Terry Fritts > > > This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information > and (un)subscription instructions go to > http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html > This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html <>
Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
Here is a consideration. I am running EWall as an SMTP proxy. You can put it on a separate box and use it with any mail server. It offers a path to integration with off the shelf anti virus products (not per email box, etc). and it allows you to apply multiple "rules" to mail on Global, Domain, and User levels. Price is more than reasonable. In fact, when used with various "free" server products, they offer a special license. (Mail Enable, XMail, Argosoft, etc). See http://sssolutions.net for specifics. Trial version available. Newsgroups at news://news.sssolutions.net David PayerOMNI Internetwww.iowalink.com - Original Message - From: Bill Ball To: sniffer@SortMonster.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail? Have you looked at MDaemon as an alternative? Bill Ball Lion Network Solutions From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe WolfSent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:11 AMTo: sniffer@SortMonster.comSubject: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail? No offense intended toward anyone, but we've just about had it with the Imail/Declude combo. Looking at migrating to SmarterMail... those who have changed seem to love it. I LOVE Message Sniffer and don't want to lose such a great product. I also DO NOT want to have to use Declude with SmarterMail. Couple of questions: #1 Is there currently a way to integrate Message Sniffer with SmarterMail without using Declude? #3 If not are there any plans to work with SmarterMail? Thanks, -Joe
Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
Terry, Will take a look at it... never heard of it before. It may be going too far the other way. I'm not looking for something with fewer features than Imail. I don't think SquirrelMail will allow all the domain management features like Imail does (add, remove, modify users, passwords, lists, etc.) but I may be wrong. Thanks, Joe - Original Message - From: "Smart Business Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Joe Wolf" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail? Joe, Wednesday, June 1, 2005 you wrote: JW> If there's a better option than SmarterMail I'd love to hear it, JW> but I can't compare a $4000+ server to a $600 one. hMailServer is free and open source. Once I finish the script work for calling Sniffer and the work-around for ClamDscan and FPROT I'll post it. Clamdscan is the service (daemon) for ClamAV. No reason that the daemon version of Sniffer couldn't be used as well. The SquirrelMail web interface is not bad although it is PHP 4. The web admin interface is pretty good, too, and can be php 5. --- Terry Fritts This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
Joe, Wednesday, June 1, 2005 you wrote: JW> If there's a better option than SmarterMail I'd love to hear it, JW> but I can't compare a $4000+ server to a $600 one. hMailServer is free and open source. Once I finish the script work for calling Sniffer and the work-around for ClamDscan and FPROT I'll post it. Clamdscan is the service (daemon) for ClamAV. No reason that the daemon version of Sniffer couldn't be used as well. The SquirrelMail web interface is not bad although it is PHP 4. The web admin interface is pretty good, too, and can be php 5. --- Terry Fritts This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
RE: Re[2]: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
If you have a current SA with Declude, you can move from iMail Declude to SmarterMail Declude for free. I suggest that you contact Declude about this - that is, assuming you are completely shutting down your iMail server. -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:31 PM To: Joe Wolf Subject: Re[2]: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail? Hi Joe, Yeah, we had talked about buying the low cost Declude Virus/JM versions and then letting Sniffer hook into those as well as then hooking with SmarterMail... That's an option for you too. -jason - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Wednesday, June 1, 2005, 7:02:30 PM, you wrote: JW> Mdaemon may be great, but it's out of my budget. I can't afford $2500 for JW> the mail server and then another $1600 for the anti-virus. Especially when JW> I compare it to SmarterMail at $600. JW> I would love to continue to use Sniffer... I respect it more than Imail and JW> Declude combined! But the fact is that it's time to move on. Ipswitch has JW> completely lost their mind and just doesn't give a damn about their JW> customers, failed to fix major problems, and raised their prices thru the JW> roof. JW> It may be very simple to plug in Sniffer to SmarterMail, but I'm not a JW> developer. I don't really want to run a non-supported implementation. JW> If there's a better option than SmarterMail I'd love to hear it, but I can't JW> compare a $4000+ server to a $600 one. This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
Re: Re[2]: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
I currently own and use Declude, but want NOTHING to do with Declude from here on out. Since Scott left I nothing good to say about them. -Joe - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Joe Wolf" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re[2]: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail? Hi Joe, Yeah, we had talked about buying the low cost Declude Virus/JM versions and then letting Sniffer hook into those as well as then hooking with SmarterMail... That's an option for you too. -jason - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Wednesday, June 1, 2005, 7:02:30 PM, you wrote: JW> Mdaemon may be great, but it's out of my budget. I can't afford $2500 for JW> the mail server and then another $1600 for the anti-virus. Especially when JW> I compare it to SmarterMail at $600. JW> I would love to continue to use Sniffer... I respect it more than Imail and JW> Declude combined! But the fact is that it's time to move on. Ipswitch has JW> completely lost their mind and just doesn't give a damn about their JW> customers, failed to fix major problems, and raised their prices thru the JW> roof. JW> It may be very simple to plug in Sniffer to SmarterMail, but I'm not a JW> developer. I don't really want to run a non-supported implementation. JW> If there's a better option than SmarterMail I'd love to hear it, but I can't JW> compare a $4000+ server to a $600 one. This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
Re[2]: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
Hi Joe, Yeah, we had talked about buying the low cost Declude Virus/JM versions and then letting Sniffer hook into those as well as then hooking with SmarterMail... That's an option for you too. -jason - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Wednesday, June 1, 2005, 7:02:30 PM, you wrote: JW> Mdaemon may be great, but it's out of my budget. I can't afford $2500 for JW> the mail server and then another $1600 for the anti-virus. Especially when JW> I compare it to SmarterMail at $600. JW> I would love to continue to use Sniffer... I respect it more than Imail and JW> Declude combined! But the fact is that it's time to move on. Ipswitch has JW> completely lost their mind and just doesn't give a damn about their JW> customers, failed to fix major problems, and raised their prices thru the JW> roof. JW> It may be very simple to plug in Sniffer to SmarterMail, but I'm not a JW> developer. I don't really want to run a non-supported implementation. JW> If there's a better option than SmarterMail I'd love to hear it, but I can't JW> compare a $4000+ server to a $600 one. This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
Not that you would want to do this. But declude does integrate with smarterMail now. It has for several months. This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
Mdaemon may be great, but it's out of my budget. I can't afford $2500 for the mail server and then another $1600 for the anti-virus. Especially when I compare it to SmarterMail at $600. I would love to continue to use Sniffer... I respect it more than Imail and Declude combined! But the fact is that it's time to move on. Ipswitch has completely lost their mind and just doesn't give a damn about their customers, failed to fix major problems, and raised their prices thru the roof. It may be very simple to plug in Sniffer to SmarterMail, but I'm not a developer. I don't really want to run a non-supported implementation. If there's a better option than SmarterMail I'd love to hear it, but I can't compare a $4000+ server to a $600 one. Thanks, Joe - Original Message - From: "Dave Koontz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: RE: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail? For what it's worth, I think Mdaemon is pretty hard to beat in the Windows market. It's at least worth a test IMO. As far as WebMail clients go, they have various themes, some of which rival OWA... But the user always has a choice of many. The company has excellent support. Join their Beta list to see what I mean, you will communicate directly with their CEO and lead programming team, and they not only listen, but work with you to resolve your needs. As far as the product goes, it's stable and very flexible in it's configuration. It is also very reasonably priced. It has great native Spam and AV capabilities (inclduing SpamAssassin, RBL, SPF, DomainKeys), but has the ability to use 3rd party "Plugins" which are much faster than Content Filter "Command Line" scans. Pete has already ported Sniffer to use a plugin for Mdaemon, and you can also find a plugin for ClamAV. You can also see other addons by visitng: http://www.mdaemonplugins.com Just my 2 cents. I am not affiliated in any way, just think it's a great product with great support. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smart Business Support Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:03 PM To: sniffer@SortMonster.com Subject: Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail? Looking at migrating to SmarterMail MDaemon as an alternative I like the weighting that SmarterMail offers for spam checking and the web interface is undeniably nice. And there are many other really excellent features including the price which seems reasonable to me. I have not tested this directly but you should be able to use Sniffer with SmarterMail by employing the protocol settings for the command line exe or batch file and pointing to Sniffer. This is also how one would employ custom scripting. There is (at least I've seen a web page) a filter already available on the web for ClamAV and SpamAssassin that uses the hook. It would be pretty easy to use a batch file for Sniffer I think. Another possibility that might work for some is the open source hMailServer in the latest beta which has a scripting provision built in for 3 events: OnClientConnect, OnAcceptMessage, OnDeliverMessage. It is beta but I've been testing it with no apparent problems thus far. It comes with a provision for using ClamWin and an additional virus scanner. You can use Clamdscan with a little trickery. Also has a COM interface. http://www.hmailserver.com/ In order to employ Sniffer you have to use the Scripting provision of the beta and put your call to Sniffer in the OnDeliverMessage area. One drawback thus far is the inability to easily add additional x-headers but you can easily modify standard headers. Not promoting anything - but we've been testing a few things ourselves. --- Terry Fritts This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
RE: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
For what it's worth, I think Mdaemon is pretty hard to beat in the Windows market. It's at least worth a test IMO. As far as WebMail clients go, they have various themes, some of which rival OWA... But the user always has a choice of many. The company has excellent support. Join their Beta list to see what I mean, you will communicate directly with their CEO and lead programming team, and they not only listen, but work with you to resolve your needs. As far as the product goes, it's stable and very flexible in it's configuration. It is also very reasonably priced. It has great native Spam and AV capabilities (inclduing SpamAssassin, RBL, SPF, DomainKeys), but has the ability to use 3rd party "Plugins" which are much faster than Content Filter "Command Line" scans. Pete has already ported Sniffer to use a plugin for Mdaemon, and you can also find a plugin for ClamAV. You can also see other addons by visitng: http://www.mdaemonplugins.com Just my 2 cents. I am not affiliated in any way, just think it's a great product with great support. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smart Business Support Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:03 PM To: sniffer@SortMonster.com Subject: Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail? > Looking at migrating to SmarterMail > MDaemon as an alternative I like the weighting that SmarterMail offers for spam checking and the web interface is undeniably nice. And there are many other really excellent features including the price which seems reasonable to me. I have not tested this directly but you should be able to use Sniffer with SmarterMail by employing the protocol settings for the command line exe or batch file and pointing to Sniffer. This is also how one would employ custom scripting. There is (at least I've seen a web page) a filter already available on the web for ClamAV and SpamAssassin that uses the hook. It would be pretty easy to use a batch file for Sniffer I think. Another possibility that might work for some is the open source hMailServer in the latest beta which has a scripting provision built in for 3 events: OnClientConnect, OnAcceptMessage, OnDeliverMessage. It is beta but I've been testing it with no apparent problems thus far. It comes with a provision for using ClamWin and an additional virus scanner. You can use Clamdscan with a little trickery. Also has a COM interface. http://www.hmailserver.com/ In order to employ Sniffer you have to use the Scripting provision of the beta and put your call to Sniffer in the OnDeliverMessage area. One drawback thus far is the inability to easily add additional x-headers but you can easily modify standard headers. Not promoting anything - but we've been testing a few things ourselves. --- Terry Fritts This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
> Looking at migrating to SmarterMail > MDaemon as an alternative I like the weighting that SmarterMail offers for spam checking and the web interface is undeniably nice. And there are many other really excellent features including the price which seems reasonable to me. I have not tested this directly but you should be able to use Sniffer with SmarterMail by employing the protocol settings for the command line exe or batch file and pointing to Sniffer. This is also how one would employ custom scripting. There is (at least I've seen a web page) a filter already available on the web for ClamAV and SpamAssassin that uses the hook. It would be pretty easy to use a batch file for Sniffer I think. Another possibility that might work for some is the open source hMailServer in the latest beta which has a scripting provision built in for 3 events: OnClientConnect, OnAcceptMessage, OnDeliverMessage. It is beta but I've been testing it with no apparent problems thus far. It comes with a provision for using ClamWin and an additional virus scanner. You can use Clamdscan with a little trickery. Also has a COM interface. http://www.hmailserver.com/ In order to employ Sniffer you have to use the Scripting provision of the beta and put your call to Sniffer in the OnDeliverMessage area. One drawback thus far is the inability to easily add additional x-headers but you can easily modify standard headers. Not promoting anything - but we've been testing a few things ourselves. --- Terry Fritts This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
RE: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
Have you looked at MDaemon as an alternative? Bill Ball Lion Network Solutions From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Wolf Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:11 AM To: sniffer@SortMonster.com Subject: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail? No offense intended toward anyone, but we've just about had it with the Imail/Declude combo. Looking at migrating to SmarterMail... those who have changed seem to love it. I LOVE Message Sniffer and don't want to lose such a great product. I also DO NOT want to have to use Declude with SmarterMail. Couple of questions: #1 Is there currently a way to integrate Message Sniffer with SmarterMail without using Declude? #3 If not are there any plans to work with SmarterMail? Thanks, -Joe
Re: [sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
On Wednesday, June 1, 2005, 7:11:20 AM, Joe wrote: JW> No offense intended toward anyone, but we've just about had JW> it with the Imail/Declude combo. Looking at migrating to JW> SmarterMail... those who have changed seem to love it. JW> JW> I LOVE Message Sniffer and don't want to lose such a great JW> product. I also DO NOT want to have to use Declude with JW> SmarterMail. JW> JW> Couple of questions: JW> JW> #1 Is there currently a way to integrate Message Sniffer JW> with SmarterMail without using Declude? I think mxGuard was planning integration with SmarterMail. JW> JW> #3 If not are there any plans to work with SmarterMail? There are no plans to integrate SNF directly with SmarterMail at this time. Hope this helps, _M This E-Mail came from the Message Sniffer mailing list. For information and (un)subscription instructions go to http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/Help.html
[sniffer] Sniffer and SmarterMail?
No offense intended toward anyone, but we've just about had it with the Imail/Declude combo. Looking at migrating to SmarterMail... those who have changed seem to love it. I LOVE Message Sniffer and don't want to lose such a great product. I also DO NOT want to have to use Declude with SmarterMail. Couple of questions: #1 Is there currently a way to integrate Message Sniffer with SmarterMail without using Declude? #3 If not are there any plans to work with SmarterMail? Thanks, -Joe
