Re: [sniffer] My issues with the General category, looking for abettersolution

2004-12-16 Thread Matt




Greg,

The reason why you aren't seeing these is because you aren't weighting
Sniffer General at your subject tagging or hold weight, so it takes
multiple hits for the false positives to show up on your system.  I
assure you that there are in fact many false positive Sniffer hits that
only Sniffer is tagging.

I'm trying to deal with this in a more proactive way than before on my
system by defeating the technical tests such as BADHEADERS, etc. for
known bulk mail providers (not spam houses), and establishing a base
score according to their trustworthiness.  For instance,
ConstantContact, aka roving.com, has a history of servicing spam lists,
frequently hitting addresses that are heavily spammed and harvested
from whois or from Web sites, but they are also quite popular with
small businesses for sending out legitimate newsletters.  One can't
safely block all of roving.com, but I establish a base score of 8 and
mostly hold on a 13, so something like a SpamCop, SURBL, or Sniffer hit
will put them over the top.  I blacklist the offenders and whitelist
the false positives.  Sniffer doesn't tag roving.com anymore, but at
one time it was being tagged.  Note that AHBL-SOURCES has roving.com
tagged as well as some more minor lists.

The bigger issues are primarily associated with companies that send
advertisements to their customer lists.  The travel companies are one
of the best examples of this, and they are frequently blacklisted due
to reporting to things like SpamCop, but I have found no evidence of
companies like Orbitz, Hotwire, Travelocity or Expedia harvesting
addresses or denying unsubscribes.  These companies are also frequently
tagged with Sniffer, either in General or Travel.  I assume that the
Travel listings are from these companies using third-party services to
advertise their services, which is of course spam, but when it comes
from the first-party to their own customers, it is not spam by my
definition, and as I noted, someone even reported Orbitz as a false
positive to me yesterday (Sniffer-General plus my base weight of 8 for
the bulk-mail provider, and this has happened before.

You might think that my base-weighting of this material is a bad idea,
but the problem was that before, I would get random hits on technical
tests, and custom filters, and some static spammer RBL's which did
little to differentiate between the good and the bad.

False positive reports from me to Sniffer have been about 1/4 to 1/3 in
the General category in my estimation, but the hit rate for this
category on my system is measurably below 10%.  Overall this class of
E-mail accounts for over 75% of my false positives (hence the baseline
scoring beyond Sniffer as a solution).  False positive identification,
research, whitelisting, and reporting to Sniffer is by far my most time
consuming process, and I'm trying to figure out how to streamline it. 
What I know wasn't working was leaving things just simply weighted the
same as everything else and seeing the same senders sometimes be held
and sometimes get passed, and reporting the false positives on these
sorts of things only offered a temporary resolution in many cases.

Matt





System Administrator wrote:

  on 12/15/04 11:41 PM, Matt wrote:

  
  
I've been having a lot of issues with false positives in the General category,
and I'm in search of a better way to handle such things after making little
progress without a large time commitment to the issue that this creates.

  
  
Wow, I'm not seeing anything close to what you are reporting.

We had 976 messages fail sniffer-general yesterday. We don't hold messages
but mark them as "spam" in the subject message with weight 30 - 39 and
delete them at 40 or more. I looked at all the messages that failed
sniffer-general and had a weight from 30 - 80. Of those 72 messages I only
see one message that probably wasn't spam. It had a weight of 31 so it only
had spam added to the subject and was delivered to the recipient. All the
messages with a weight of 40 or more that failed sniffer-general were indeed
spam and were deleted immediately.

Greg


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Re: [sniffer] My issues with the General category, looking for abetter solution

2004-12-16 Thread System Administrator
on 12/15/04 11:41 PM, Matt wrote:

> I've been having a lot of issues with false positives in the General category,
> and I'm in search of a better way to handle such things after making little
> progress without a large time commitment to the issue that this creates.

Wow, I'm not seeing anything close to what you are reporting.

We had 976 messages fail sniffer-general yesterday. We don't hold messages
but mark them as "spam" in the subject message with weight 30 - 39 and
delete them at 40 or more. I looked at all the messages that failed
sniffer-general and had a weight from 30 - 80. Of those 72 messages I only
see one message that probably wasn't spam. It had a weight of 31 so it only
had spam added to the subject and was delivered to the recipient. All the
messages with a weight of 40 or more that failed sniffer-general were indeed
spam and were deleted immediately.

Greg


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Re: Re[4]: [sniffer] Few questions

2004-12-16 Thread Marc Hilliker
Pete,

PM> One other quick note/reminder. Use the snf2check utility on your
PM> downloaded rulebase files before putting them in service. This will
PM> ensure that you have a complete file that is not corrupted.

Yeap..that is exactly what I did when I went back and looked at the files
included in the distro. It gave me the same error which provoked me to
re-download the rulebase.

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