Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-21 Thread Tom H. Nagel
In the argument over the choice between handicapping the plane and handicapping the pilot, all I can say is that I come into the game already handicapped so there is no point in picking on my plane. Tom H. Nagel Columbus, OH RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread Ray Hayes
and adds a little motivation to the skilled pilots to help the novice group. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Handicapping

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread strotherbj
EXECELLENT !! --Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message --Full house 2m: +10% RES 2m: +12% RES Unlimited: +5% What do you think? Given that format, I'd fly a RES 2M. ;-) I remember a time not

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread AJ Bhatta
My sentiments exactly. Flung what you brung no matter how bad it looks. AJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread strotherbj
And Man Do YALOL !! --Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- My sentiments exactly. Flung what you brung no matter how bad it looks. AJ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread Bill Conkling
Hadicapping the plane is a waste. It's like determining a golf handicap based on the choice of ball. You need to handicap the pilot. To ttruly level the playing field based on models, get several like models, such as Aspires or Spirits, fit them out and let all pilots fly from this model pool.

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread Bob Johnson
Handicapping either planes or pilots is an exercise in futility. If you have a desire to encourage less experienced flyers to enter contests, I offer the following: 1 - Shorten the winch line to something in the neighbourhood of 400-450 feet in an attempt to reduce the launch height. Keep the

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread Charles Eaton
also. - Original Message - From: Rick Eckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests Ya, but if you had to put numbers on it what would you think? Rick ;-) At 04

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread Rick Eckel
Bob, I was fully with you until you wanted to get rid of the training wheels... ;-) Merry Christmas! And thanks for the suggestions. (Its going to freeze here tonight for three to four hours - yikes! Break out the woolies.) Rick At 11:05 AM 12/20/2004 -0600, Bob Johnson wrote: Handicapping

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread Jack Womack
I'm looking for a full-scale sailplane. I will probably not fly near as much RC after I find it. I'm sure that when I get back into RC again we'll still be flying 10 minutes with 100 point landings... Just like after the last 20 year sebatical... 8^)... Jack Womack --- AJ Bhatta [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread Jack Womack
I'm looking for a full-scale sailplane. I will probably not fly near as much RC after I find it. I'm sure that when I get back into RC again we'll still be flying 10 minutes with 100 point landings... Just like after the last 20 year sebatical... 8^)... Jack Womack --- AJ Bhatta [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread Stuart A. Hall
Hi Bob, as a beginner to contesting let me offer my opinion. #1 - shortening the launch line will not help beginners. It will then put a premium on the zooming ability of the pilot and the plane. I need all the help I can get at finding thermals and it is easier to do so from way up high. I do

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread Jack Iafret
. So Paragons forever and may the Maestro be a challange and continue to be fun. Jack Jack Iafret Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Malvey [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:51:24 -0500

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-20 Thread Jeff Steifel
Not true about moving a pilot up to expert for a single win. It is a point system. If the pilot scores withihin the top 10 of all pilots he gets (11- his position points) . So if he were 3rd he would get 11-3 or 8 points These carry over from season to season.After 20 advancement points the

[RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-19 Thread Rick Eckel
I'm interested in opinions. Our club Contest Coordinator is going to use a handicap system for our monthly contests to sorta level the field for different types of airplanes. We're hoping that it will encourage participation. Figuring that the Unlimited full house ship is the gold standard,

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-19 Thread Pat McCleave
and again. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS - Original Message - From: Rick Eckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests I'm interested in opinions. Our club Contest Coordinator is going to use a handicap

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-19 Thread Daryl Perkins
My initial take was: Full house 2m: +10% RES 2m: +12% RES Unlimited: +5% What do you think? Given that format, I'd fly a RES 2M. ;-) I remember a time not so long ago when all gliders coexisted peacefully on contest day. We had 2 classes.. 2m and open. Most everybody flew both classes.

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-19 Thread Rick Eckel
Ya, but if you had to put numbers on it what would you think? Rick ;-) At 04:48 PM 12/19/2004 -0800, Daryl Perkins wrote: My initial take was: Full house 2m: +10% RES 2m: +12% RES Unlimited: +5% What do you think? Given that format, I'd fly a RES 2M. ;-) I remember a time not so long ago

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-19 Thread Daryl Perkins
Handicapping due to airframe is completely condition dependent. If the air is active, and the thermals close together, all planes are virtually equal, and comes down to the landing. Of course, the experienced pilot will minimize the effects of the poor conditions, and take advantage of his

Re: [RCSE] Handicapping for contests

2004-12-19 Thread Bill Malvey
On 12/19/04 18:37 Daryl Perkins wrote: Once you find out that doesn't work, and the same guys keep winning In golf they handicap the players... not their clubs of choice Damn. My handicap is that I think I can play golf!! But your point is correct. Personally Like the heads up