I'm fine with that!  Please do.

Caryl

> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:22:06 +0100
> From: mar...@martindengler.com
> To: cbige...@hotmail.com
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> Subject: Re: As requested: RE: Thoughts on RE: SOAS decision panel :  thoughts
> 
> Any objections if I rudely post these discussions to the soas@ list?
> So far attempts to get people to post to it seem to be meeting some
> friction but nobody's telling me why.
> 
> Martin
> 
> On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 06:36:19PM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> > 
> > SJ wrote:
> > > 
> > > Caryl, your input on the recent thread on the soas-list would be
> > > appreciated.  I think Bill got some of this summary right, but some of
> > > it needs to be clarified.  (And I'm not sure that many of the people
> > > who would like to *see* a 'set of versions that can be run on all
> > > kinds of machines' understood the support costs and prioritization
> > > required when saying that.)
> > 
> > Hello All...
> > 
> > Greetings from beautiful (50 years ago) Butte MT, the country's largest 
> > Superfund site.  Over half the town has disappeared into the huge Berkeley 
> > Pit (open pit copper mine). What is left is very contaminated with metal 
> > dust and asbestos. 
> > 
> > But, enough of that. First I want to apologize for the flood of old 
> > messages from me that arrived this afternoon. They were sent 4 days ago on 
> > 9/28 when I was having trouble with my sign-up to the list. So today, they 
> > show up as sent at 2:04 p.m. MDT...  I assure you not by me.  I was riding 
> > down I-90 in MT far from any internet signal.  Now, I still have the 
> > problem of getting 2 of everything sent to the [SoaS] list.
> > 
> > So let's get back to the issues at hand.  SJ asked me to go over the 
> > message I sent several days ago and clarify some of the things I wrote.
> > 
> > Re: A new mailing list... a dead issue, we are already functioning on the 
> > regular [SoaS} list.
> > 
> > Re: Several different distributions and if so, for what machines?
> > 
> > This is a really huge issue.  First of all, has anyone really done any 
> > research, even informal, to see what machines are used regularly in the 
> > schools? Probably not. Without this information, the question can't be 
> > answered in any meaningful way. 
> > 
> > There is a way that we could make this happen, thoughnot nearly soon 
> > enough, but better late than never.  It would take some effort on the part 
> > of both Sugar Labs volunteers and OLPC volunteers. It goes like this:
> > 
> > 1) Send representatives (preferably 2 or more) to every Tech Conference for 
> > educators that we can find.  Take XOs and SoaS, Live CDs, SD cards and 
> > different non-XO machines to demonstrate that Sugar will run on them. 
> > People will be curious and want to try things.  Set up in a booth if 
> > possible or in their internet cafe area (or do a presentation!). We may 
> > have to actually pay to attend.
> > 
> > 2) Have a simple survey for educators to fill out asking what machines they 
> > have at their school, how many, how old, are there any plans to replace 
> > them, if yes, with what machines and, finally, how much use do they get and 
> > by who.  While we are at it we might as well ask what level or subject they 
> > teach and what kinds of new programs would they like to have to use with 
> > their students.
> > 
> > 3) If they have something that will run SoaS, a Live CD, or Sugar on a SD 
> > card, offer to help them download their own copy.  Maybe even give away 
> > some Live CDs.
> > 
> > I will be presenting at the CUELA/LAUSD Tech Fair in mid-November.  I will 
> > make up a survey like this and ask teachers to complete it.  Can we get 
> > others to do the same sort of thing?  Even just having a presence with a 
> > few XOs and other computers running Sugar for folks to try and getting them 
> > to fill out the survey would help a lot. Not a lot of prior prep needed for 
> > that!
> > 
> > In other words, don't just guess what students and teachers need.. ask 
> > them. Until we do this, we are just taking wild stabs in the dark. Students 
> > and teachers won't care what we call the 
> > Sugar software they are using. They will just care that it is easy to use 
> > and works.
> > 
> > Re: the XO-1  Glad to hear the batteries will be interchangable. That is 
> > one crisis we won't have to face.
> > 
> > This might not be the right time and place to discuss activating the entire 
> > track pad, but someone else mentioned it and I thought it was a great idea. 
> > I still do. While some might think this is a topic for OLPC, I thought I 
> > read somewhere that it is a software matter. That could be a Sugar Labs 
> > project. 
> > 
> > Too long... and I will get 2 copies.
> > 
> > Got to read all the other emails I got since yesterday.
> > 
> > Thanks for reading!
> > Caryl
> > 
> > P.S. I did a reply all on this. If I missed anyone who should read it, 
> > please forward. Thanks!
> >                                       
                                          
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