Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-23 Thread DancesWithCars 
thanks for the reply.

More inline

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Peter Robinson  wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:16 PM, DancesWithCars
>  wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Peter Robinson  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:53 AM, DancesWithCars
>>>  wrote:
 This has probably been mentioned elsewhere,
 but is there a Sugar/ soas on Mac list?
>>>
>>> This list will cover it on most architectures but there is a lot of
>>> difference in "Mac" so could you be a little more specific? We should
>>> work just fine on most modern intel based Macs.
>>>
>> those that don't have Macs,
>> newer macs in particular may
>> not care to hear about all the
>> stuff on different architectures.
>>
>> Also porting to a QuartzX11 based
>> environment, which has it's own
>> platform issues.
>
> SoaS in a complete solution including the OS so QuartzX11 has got
> nothing to do with this. I think you are enquiring about running the
> Sugar interface on MacOSX which is completely different to and
> unrelated to running SoaS on the Mac hardware platform.
>
The QuartzX11 idea is for an emulator
like metacity and jhbuild environments on fedora and Linux based
OS platforms.  Also a little like the Sugar and Gnome
environment with the current XO1&1.5 ISO & firmware
but able to run both at the same time (jhbuild & metacity like).


 (then it can be put to marketing list,
 when many people know it works ;-/ )
>>>
>>> Why wouldn't it work? We normally put all announcements to the
>>> marketing list although they've been some what quiet of late.
>>>
>> Maybe it's an image issue, in the public awareness sense,
>> maybe Sugar isn't publicized as working on Mac platform outside
>> of virtualization?
>
> It doesn't work on OSX.
>
But wouldn't it be nice if it did? ;-)

>> But the interface is similar ease of use,
>> the Apple heritage of educational use
>> (noted
>
> Yes but a kettle and a toaster are of a kitchen heritage and of use
> for making breakfast but you don't class them as the same.
>
Both used for cooking & heating...
Yes, different appliances.

>> FWIW, I'm rather old school Mac
>> (old world Beige G3 Macs 6 Gig HD,
>> PowerBook 180, LC etc,
>> which might  be the class machine that
>> is around $100 used :-)
>> if not technically considered Antiques,
>> as cars are defined by decades,
>> computers are like dog years,
>> much quicker, IMO.
>
> Sugar would work on PPC platforms. Fedora 12 is the last version of
> Fedora that had PPC as a supported primary platform. Sugar will quite
> happily work on PPC without issue, in terms of supported platforms its
> not currently an aim of SoaS due to limited resources to work on it
> but it shouldn't be hard for someone to do.
>
Thanks, didn't know about the PPC support End Of Life support
issues...

>> instead of new MacBookPros in the $1k range,
>> Airs and iPad Tablets slightly under that,
>
> So look at netbooks, you can get them a lot cheaper than the 1K range
> and they will easily work on SoaS.
>
Still waiting on XO 1.5 to be available to the common
man/ woman/ child, and not just betas
and in units of  100's ...

HINT, HINT: G1G1 XO 1.5...
It's that time of year, and all the people I talk
with ask how to get them and I have to say,
don't know...

It's been years and my original G1G1 is mobo
dead, so how do the original donors
get newer and more hardware???

>> and back in the day Apple II,  Fat Mac
>> and MacIvory, most of which are pre USB...
>> so forget memory sticks, and CDROM/
>> CDR reading for that matter, maybe stuff
>> it in on parallel/ serial or put on drive
>> before reinstall HD and see what python
>> might/ could work..
>
> I doubt it will work on those.
>
Yeah, a bit retrocomputing,
[but LispM are still running too...]

> Regards,
> Peter
>
>>>
 On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:48 PM, David Leeming
  wrote:
> I tried with two identical flashdrives, same process. With one it boots
> uninterrupted now. The second one needs the shift-prompt-linux0 routine.
> Don't ask me why. I will post up to that effect on the bug report
>
> Anyway, it's great to see the new release, well done all involved.
>
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands Rural Link
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Martin Dengler' [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 9:47 p.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: 'Art Hunkins'; 'Thomas C Gilliard'; 'Development of live Sugar
> distributions'
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 08:33:16PM +1000, David Leeming wrote:
>> Martin thanks,
>>
>> Pressing shift at boot time was the missing info that I needed. It
>> works OK.
>
> So now it boots?!  Interesting.  If you have time I'm sure people on that
> bug report would love to know any/all messages you see that appear
> suspicious.  Good to know it at least lets you boot, now.
>
>> David Leeming

Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-19 Thread Martin Dengler 
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:05:32PM -0800, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> > From: [email protected]
> > 
> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:53:27PM -0500, DancesWithCars wrote:
> > > This has probably been mentioned elsewhere, but is there a Sugar/
> > > soas on Mac list?
> >  
> > Some days I think soas@ _is_ soas-mac@ ;)

> Those must be the days when I am pleading for help doing SoaS things
> on my MacBook.

Well, that traffic is much better on qsoas@ than iaep@, and of course
if you get some help with Sugar...it's hard to object to anything.
Hence my ;).

Martin


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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-19 Thread Thomas C Gilliard 
I just  built both a Soas-v3 and Soas-v4 Live USB  which boots 
successfully on a MacBook Air with a Boot Helper Disk in a USB CD/DVD 
external drive:


I detail the steps here:
 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Building_a_bootable_USB_using_a_MacBook_Air

( go the linked page above for the download links)

Here are the steps I used:

Building a bootable USB using a MacBook Air
  1 Boot MacBook Air
   Download Soas-v4 Fedora-14-x86_64-Live-SoaS
   Copy it to a USB for transfer later (see below)
   2 Format Target USB (2GB) in OSX Disk utility
   Insert Target USB
   start Disk Utility
   highlight the target USB in left column of OSX Disk Utility
   Click on erase; select fat16; Name FEDORA; hit return
   VERY IMPORTANT: Helper CD will not work if 
USB is not named FEDORA (in CAPS)

   3 Burn USB
   Start Oracle Virtualbox for OSX VirtualBox-3.2.10-66523-OSX.dmg
   TO download F14: Fedora-14-x86_64-Live-Desktop
   Start the F14 Desktop you have installed to Virtualbox
   Insert USB that contains: Fedora-14-x86_64-Live-SoaS.iso
   Copy to running f14-Desktop in Virtualbox
   4 Start liveusb-creator (To install liveusb-creator; In 
Terminal:"yum install liveusb-creator)

   /Desktop/ Fedora-14-x86_64-Live-Desktop.iso
/dev/sdb1 (FEDORA)
choose 900 MB  (1800 for 4GB USB)
   
   5 Shutdown Fedora 14 in Virtualbox; Close Virtualbox Program; 
Shutdown MacBook Air.
   6 Insert Soas-4-boot-test CD in USB DVD/CD; Plug in Live USB you 
just built

   soas-4-boot-test
   7 Boot from helper soas-4-boot-test CD
   Hold down "C" key and do not release until Fedora Blue 
"soas-boot" screen appears

   Select "Boot with basic video driver"
   Hit return
   * Congratulations Your Live USB should Boot and run Sugar on a Stick 
v4 Mango Lassi


   * The same procedure works for Soas-v3-Mirabelle using the 
Soas-3-boot test CD


   Note you can eject the USB CD/DVD drive and unplug the USB from the 
Mac Air. It will not be needed until next time you boot the Live USB
   For networking you can plug in the MacBook Air specific USB Network 
Dongle. (Wireless is not supported)


Enjoy;

Tom Gilliard
satellit



Caryl Bigenho wrote:


Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:15:53 +
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:53:27PM -0500, DancesWithCars wrote:
  

This has probably been mentioned elsewhere, but is there a Sugar/
soas on Mac list?

 
Some days I think soas@ _is_ soas-mac@ ;)Those must be the days when I am pleading for help doing SoaS things on my MacBook.BTW a casual survey of about 20 teachers showed about 60% using PCs and 40% using Macs with their students.These teachers were from all over SoCal.  All the LAUSD teachers seem to have MacBooks issued to them bythe district.Caryl
 
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Robinson 
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:16 PM, DancesWithCars
 wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Peter Robinson  wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:53 AM, DancesWithCars
>>  wrote:
>>> This has probably been mentioned elsewhere,
>>> but is there a Sugar/ soas on Mac list?
>>
>> This list will cover it on most architectures but there is a lot of
>> difference in "Mac" so could you be a little more specific? We should
>> work just fine on most modern intel based Macs.
>>
> those that don't have Macs,
> newer macs in particular may
> not care to hear about all the
> stuff on different architectures.
>
> Also porting to a QuartzX11 based
> environment, which has it's own
> platform issues.

SoaS in a complete solution including the OS so QuartzX11 has got
nothing to do with this. I think you are enquiring about running the
Sugar interface on MacOSX which is completely different to and
unrelated to running SoaS on the Mac hardware platform.

>>> (then it can be put to marketing list,
>>> when many people know it works ;-/ )
>>
>> Why wouldn't it work? We normally put all announcements to the
>> marketing list although they've been some what quiet of late.
>>
> Maybe it's an image issue, in the public awareness sense,
> maybe Sugar isn't publicized as working on Mac platform outside
> of virtualization?

It doesn't work on OSX.

> But the interface is similar ease of use,
> the Apple heritage of educational use
> (noted

Yes but a kettle and a toaster are of a kitchen heritage and of use
for making breakfast but you don't class them as the same.

> FWIW, I'm rather old school Mac
> (old world Beige G3 Macs 6 Gig HD,
> PowerBook 180, LC etc,
> which might  be the class machine that
> is around $100 used :-)
> if not technically considered Antiques,
> as cars are defined by decades,
> computers are like dog years,
> much quicker, IMO.

Sugar would work on PPC platforms. Fedora 12 is the last version of
Fedora that had PPC as a supported primary platform. Sugar will quite
happily work on PPC without issue, in terms of supported platforms its
not currently an aim of SoaS due to limited resources to work on it
but it shouldn't be hard for someone to do.

> instead of new MacBookPros in the $1k range,
> Airs and iPad Tablets slightly under that,

So look at netbooks, you can get them a lot cheaper than the 1K range
and they will easily work on SoaS.

> and back in the day Apple II,  Fat Mac
> and MacIvory, most of which are pre USB...
> so forget memory sticks, and CDROM/
> CDR reading for that matter, maybe stuff
> it in on parallel/ serial or put on drive
> before reinstall HD and see what python
> might/ could work..

I doubt it will work on those.

Regards,
Peter

>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:48 PM, David Leeming
>>>  wrote:
 I tried with two identical flashdrives, same process. With one it boots
 uninterrupted now. The second one needs the shift-prompt-linux0 routine.
 Don't ask me why. I will post up to that effect on the bug report

 Anyway, it's great to see the new release, well done all involved.

 David Leeming
 Solomon Islands Rural Link

 -Original Message-
 From: 'Martin Dengler' [mailto:[email protected]]
 Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 9:47 p.m.
 To: David Leeming
 Cc: 'Art Hunkins'; 'Thomas C Gilliard'; 'Development of live Sugar
 distributions'
 Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

 On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 08:33:16PM +1000, David Leeming wrote:
> Martin thanks,
>
> Pressing shift at boot time was the missing info that I needed. It
> works OK.

 So now it boots?!  Interesting.  If you have time I'm sure people on that
 bug report would love to know any/all messages you see that appear
 suspicious.  Good to know it at least lets you boot, now.

> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands Rural Link

 Martin



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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-19 Thread DancesWithCars 
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Peter Robinson  wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:53 AM, DancesWithCars
>  wrote:
>> This has probably been mentioned elsewhere,
>> but is there a Sugar/ soas on Mac list?
>
> This list will cover it on most architectures but there is a lot of
> difference in "Mac" so could you be a little more specific? We should
> work just fine on most modern intel based Macs.
>
those that don't have Macs,
newer macs in particular may
not care to hear about all the
stuff on different architectures.

Also porting to a QuartzX11 based
environment, which has it's own
platform issues.

>> (then it can be put to marketing list,
>> when many people know it works ;-/ )
>
> Why wouldn't it work? We normally put all announcements to the
> marketing list although they've been some what quiet of late.
>
Maybe it's an image issue, in the public awareness sense,
maybe Sugar isn't publicized as working on Mac platform outside
of virtualization?

But the interface is similar ease of use,
the Apple heritage of educational use
(noted

FWIW, I'm rather old school Mac
(old world Beige G3 Macs 6 Gig HD,
PowerBook 180, LC etc,
which might  be the class machine that
is around $100 used :-)
if not technically considered Antiques,
as cars are defined by decades,
computers are like dog years,
much quicker, IMO.

instead of new MacBookPros in the $1k range,
Airs and iPad Tablets slightly under that,

and back in the day Apple II,  Fat Mac
and MacIvory, most of which are pre USB...
so forget memory sticks, and CDROM/
CDR reading for that matter, maybe stuff
it in on parallel/ serial or put on drive
before reinstall HD and see what python
might/ could work..

but I digress...

> Regards,
> Peter
>
>
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:48 PM, David Leeming
>>  wrote:
>>> I tried with two identical flashdrives, same process. With one it boots
>>> uninterrupted now. The second one needs the shift-prompt-linux0 routine.
>>> Don't ask me why. I will post up to that effect on the bug report
>>>
>>> Anyway, it's great to see the new release, well done all involved.
>>>
>>> David Leeming
>>> Solomon Islands Rural Link
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Martin Dengler' [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 9:47 p.m.
>>> To: David Leeming
>>> Cc: 'Art Hunkins'; 'Thomas C Gilliard'; 'Development of live Sugar
>>> distributions'
>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 08:33:16PM +1000, David Leeming wrote:
 Martin thanks,

 Pressing shift at boot time was the missing info that I needed. It
 works OK.
>>>
>>> So now it boots?!  Interesting.  If you have time I'm sure people on that
>>> bug report would love to know any/all messages you see that appear
>>> suspicious.  Good to know it at least lets you boot, now.
>>>
 David Leeming
 Solomon Islands Rural Link
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-19 Thread Peter Robinson 
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:53 AM, DancesWithCars
 wrote:
> This has probably been mentioned elsewhere,
> but is there a Sugar/ soas on Mac list?

This list will cover it on most architectures but there is a lot of
difference in "Mac" so could you be a little more specific? We should
work just fine on most modern intel based Macs.

> (then it can be put to marketing list,
> when many people know it works ;-/ )

Why wouldn't it work? We normally put all announcements to the
marketing list although they've been some what quiet of late.

Regards,
Peter


> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:48 PM, David Leeming
>  wrote:
>> I tried with two identical flashdrives, same process. With one it boots
>> uninterrupted now. The second one needs the shift-prompt-linux0 routine.
>> Don't ask me why. I will post up to that effect on the bug report
>>
>> Anyway, it's great to see the new release, well done all involved.
>>
>> David Leeming
>> Solomon Islands Rural Link
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Martin Dengler' [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 9:47 p.m.
>> To: David Leeming
>> Cc: 'Art Hunkins'; 'Thomas C Gilliard'; 'Development of live Sugar
>> distributions'
>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 08:33:16PM +1000, David Leeming wrote:
>>> Martin thanks,
>>>
>>> Pressing shift at boot time was the missing info that I needed. It
>>> works OK.
>>
>> So now it boots?!  Interesting.  If you have time I'm sure people on that
>> bug report would love to know any/all messages you see that appear
>> suspicious.  Good to know it at least lets you boot, now.
>>
>>> David Leeming
>>> Solomon Islands Rural Link
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-18 Thread Caryl Bigenho 



Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:15:53 +
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:53:27PM -0500, DancesWithCars wrote:
> This has probably been mentioned elsewhere, but is there a Sugar/
> soas on Mac list?
 
Some days I think soas@ _is_ soas-mac@ ;)Those must be the days when I am 
pleading for help doing SoaS things on my MacBook.BTW a casual survey of about 
20 teachers showed about 60% using PCs and 40% using Macs with their 
students.These teachers were from all over SoCal.  All the LAUSD teachers seem 
to have MacBooks issued to them bythe district.Caryl
 
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-18 Thread Thomas C Gilliard 

On 11/18/10 6:53 PM, DancesWithCars wrote:

This has probably been mentioned elsewhere,
but is there a Sugar/ soas on Mac list?

Soas-v3 and Soas v4 (Fedora-14-x86_64-Live-SoaS.iso) CD boots on MacBook 
Air for me:

  Need cat5 MacAir specific USB Network Dongle for networking
Also works in VirtualBox for OSX 3.2 installs with livinst command in 
terminal

  advantage: Wireless works thru Virtualbox

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Mac#4
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick_release_process#CD_Boots

(then it can be put to marketing list,
when many people know it works ;-/ )

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:48 PM, David Leeming
  wrote:

I tried with two identical flashdrives, same process. With one it boots
uninterrupted now. The second one needs the shift-prompt-linux0 routine.
Don't ask me why. I will post up to that effect on the bug report

Anyway, it's great to see the new release, well done all involved.

David Leeming
Solomon Islands Rural Link

-Original Message-
From: 'Martin Dengler' [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 9:47 p.m.
To: David Leeming
Cc: 'Art Hunkins'; 'Thomas C Gilliard'; 'Development of live Sugar
distributions'
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 08:33:16PM +1000, David Leeming wrote:

Martin thanks,

Pressing shift at boot time was the missing info that I needed. It
works OK.

So now it boots?!  Interesting.  If you have time I'm sure people on that
bug report would love to know any/all messages you see that appear
suspicious.  Good to know it at least lets you boot, now.


David Leeming
Solomon Islands Rural Link

Martin



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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-18 Thread Martin Dengler 
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:53:27PM -0500, DancesWithCars wrote:
> This has probably been mentioned elsewhere, but is there a Sugar/
> soas on Mac list?

Some days I think soas@ _is_ soas-mac@ ;)

Martin


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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-18 Thread DancesWithCars 
This has probably been mentioned elsewhere,
but is there a Sugar/ soas on Mac list?

(then it can be put to marketing list,
when many people know it works ;-/ )

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:48 PM, David Leeming
 wrote:
> I tried with two identical flashdrives, same process. With one it boots
> uninterrupted now. The second one needs the shift-prompt-linux0 routine.
> Don't ask me why. I will post up to that effect on the bug report
>
> Anyway, it's great to see the new release, well done all involved.
>
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands Rural Link
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Martin Dengler' [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 9:47 p.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: 'Art Hunkins'; 'Thomas C Gilliard'; 'Development of live Sugar
> distributions'
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 08:33:16PM +1000, David Leeming wrote:
>> Martin thanks,
>>
>> Pressing shift at boot time was the missing info that I needed. It
>> works OK.
>
> So now it boots?!  Interesting.  If you have time I'm sure people on that
> bug report would love to know any/all messages you see that appear
> suspicious.  Good to know it at least lets you boot, now.
>
>> David Leeming
>> Solomon Islands Rural Link
>
> Martin
>
>
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-16 Thread David Leeming 
I tried with two identical flashdrives, same process. With one it boots
uninterrupted now. The second one needs the shift-prompt-linux0 routine.
Don't ask me why. I will post up to that effect on the bug report

Anyway, it's great to see the new release, well done all involved.

David Leeming
Solomon Islands Rural Link 

-Original Message-
From: 'Martin Dengler' [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 9:47 p.m.
To: David Leeming
Cc: 'Art Hunkins'; 'Thomas C Gilliard'; 'Development of live Sugar
distributions'
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 08:33:16PM +1000, David Leeming wrote:
> Martin thanks,
> 
> Pressing shift at boot time was the missing info that I needed. It 
> works OK.

So now it boots?!  Interesting.  If you have time I'm sure people on that
bug report would love to know any/all messages you see that appear
suspicious.  Good to know it at least lets you boot, now.

> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands Rural Link

Martin



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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-16 Thread 'Martin Dengler' 
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 08:33:16PM +1000, David Leeming wrote:
> Martin thanks,
> 
> Pressing shift at boot time was the missing info that I needed. It
> works OK.

So now it boots?!  Interesting.  If you have time I'm sure people on
that bug report would love to know any/all messages you see that
appear suspicious.  Good to know it at least lets you boot, now.

> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands Rural Link 

Martin


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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-16 Thread James Cameron 
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 08:33:16PM +1000, David Leeming wrote:
> Pressing shift at boot time was the missing info that I needed. It
> works OK.

That suggests #617115 is the cause, but it is not as conclusive as I
would like.  If you could please confirm that the package that was the
ultimate solution to #617115 ... is _not_ installed, then I'll take that
as conclusive.

If so, the ultimate fix would then be to re-release SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi
with the fixed package ... which was pushed on 2010-09-04, yet the
release was on 2010-11-02, so I'd be surprised if it wasn't already
there.

I think it is more likely that you have a different problem that lends
itself to the same workaround.

> Is this a hardware issue? I am unclear whether this is happening to
> everyone or just some of us. 

I don't know how often this is happening to others.  That would be
interesting to know.  If it happens 100% of the time, it really ought to
be fixed, and either the spin redone or withdrawn.

If you have an instance of #617115 then it is entirely a software issue,
and should be fixed.  It seems somewhat fundamental.  However, if the
SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi works fine for others, it seems unlikely to be
caused by the problem at the heart of #617115.

-- 
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-16 Thread David Leeming 
Martin thanks,

Pressing shift at boot time was the missing info that I needed. It works OK.

Is this a hardware issue? I am unclear whether this is happening to everyone
or just some of us. 

David Leeming
Solomon Islands Rural Link 

-Original Message-
From: Martin Dengler [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 4:11 p.m.
To: Art Hunkins
Cc: David Leeming; 'Thomas C Gilliard'; 'Development of live Sugar
distributions'
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

This appears to be the relevant bug report:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617115

Can anyone who's having the problem or dealing with the problem confirm?

Martin

PS - If nobody's responding, please try to maximise the incentives for
people not having the problem to help you:

1) try not emailing marketing about soas boot hang problems
2) try not emailing sugar-devel about soas boot hang problems
3) try summarising what you've already investigated

4) try googling for the key terms: I tried "fedora live cd boot hang
   syslinux" and that bug was the second result; the first being
   relevant but a bit older.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:48:52PM -0500, Art Hunkins wrote:
> This is the same issue I've raised twice before - with no response.
> I've copied Luke Macken, creator of LiveUSB Creator, as well.
> 
> The problem is what has been keeping me from testing my activities 
> with 0.90 SoaS.
> 
> Can anything be done about this?
> 
> Art Hunkins
> 
> - Original Message - From: "David Leeming"
> 
> To: "'Thomas C Gilliard'" ; "'Development 
> of live Sugar distributions'"
> 
> Cc: "'Sugar Labs Marketing'" ; "'Sugar 
> devel'" 
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.
> 
> 
> >Testing SOAS 4 Mango Lassi on a 32-bit PC.
> >
> >Image used is Fedora-14-i686-Live-SoaS.iso and installed using Fedora 
> >LiveUSB Creator 3.9.2 on a 2GB flashdrive that has been tested OK 
> >with Marabelle. I used 498 MB of persistent storage.
> >
> >Tried in two different computers, reformatted (FAT) and tried again.
> >
> >All I get is this on boot (below), it does not proceed any 
> >further.. I guess maybe I have the wrong iso or something??
> >
> >SYSLINUX 3.81 2009-05-29 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2009 H. Peter Alvin 
> >et al.
> >
> >(then nothing happens)
> >
> >David Leeming
> >Solomon Islands Rural Link
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [email protected]
> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas 
> >C Gilliard
> >Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 2010 5:14 p.m.
> >To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> >Cc: Sugar Labs Marketing; Sugar devel
> >Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.
> >
> >Great News;
> >
> >Fedora-14-x86_64-Live-SoaS CD Boots fine on an Apple MacBook Air with 
> >an external hp-DVD/CD usb drive.
> >
> >Hold "C"  and tap power button keep holding the "C" key down until 
> >the blue fedora boot screen appears Select Boot (Basic Video)-second 
> >line boots to bar display Fedora 14; (Name_); Choose password for 
> >new keyring; hit cancel 6 times.
> >F3 Ring appears
> >
> >Use the usb to cat 5 Air dongle ( applesmc.78) as Network Manager 
> >does not recognize the Mac Air's wireless hardware.
> >f1 neighborhood will be full of [email protected] names
> >
> >To fix this go to drop down / My settings /About me. change colors 
> >and restart. On restart the names will be correct.
> >ONLY IF you enter the key chain password you entered 1 time when you 
> >started sugar.
> >
> >These are known bugs
> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick_Bugs#Current_Bugs
> >
> >ALSO
> >
> >There is a new Boot CD for Macs and computers that cannot boot from 
> >USB
> >
> >Boot helper CD for Fedora-14-i686-Live-SoaS:
> >
> >
> >>Matt
> >>
> >>On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Matt Wronkiewicz 
> >>
> >wrote:
> >>
>  If anyone else is interested, I put together a boot helper for 
>  Mirabelle. Burned to a CD, it enabled booting a USB stick on my 
>  MacBook Pro. The stick was partitioned with the plain old MBR 
>  format and labeled "FEDORA". I also got both VMware Fusion and 
>  VirtualBox to boot the USB stick using this boot helper ISO. The 
>  soas-2-boot ISO sort of works with Mirabelle sticks, but they 
>  have different kernel versions so modules don't load, thus no 
>  networking. That is fixed in this build.
> 
>  
> 
>  Matt
> 
> >>>
> >Please Test these result on other MAC's and report here in wiki:
> >
> >http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick_release_process#Ma
> >cintosh
> >_Testing
> >
> >Congratulations to all
> >
> >Enjoy;
> >
> >Tom Gilliard
> >satellit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Peter Robinson wrote:
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>This is the non

Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-15 Thread Martin Dengler 
This appears to be the relevant bug report:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617115

Can anyone who's having the problem or dealing with the problem
confirm?

Martin

PS - If nobody's responding, please try to maximise the incentives for
people not having the problem to help you:

1) try not emailing marketing about soas boot hang problems
2) try not emailing sugar-devel about soas boot hang problems
3) try summarising what you've already investigated

4) try googling for the key terms: I tried "fedora live cd boot hang
   syslinux" and that bug was the second result; the first being
   relevant but a bit older.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:48:52PM -0500, Art Hunkins wrote:
> This is the same issue I've raised twice before - with no response.
> I've copied Luke Macken, creator of LiveUSB Creator, as well.
> 
> The problem is what has been keeping me from testing my activities
> with 0.90 SoaS.
> 
> Can anything be done about this?
> 
> Art Hunkins
> 
> - Original Message - From: "David Leeming"
> 
> To: "'Thomas C Gilliard'" ;
> "'Development of live Sugar distributions'"
> 
> Cc: "'Sugar Labs Marketing'" ;
> "'Sugar devel'" 
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.
> 
> 
> >Testing SOAS 4 Mango Lassi on a 32-bit PC.
> >
> >Image used is Fedora-14-i686-Live-SoaS.iso and installed using Fedora
> >LiveUSB Creator 3.9.2 on a 2GB flashdrive that has been tested OK with
> >Marabelle. I used 498 MB of persistent storage.
> >
> >Tried in two different computers, reformatted (FAT) and tried again.
> >
> >All I get is this on boot (below), it does not proceed any further.. I
> >guess maybe I have the wrong iso or something??
> >
> >SYSLINUX 3.81 2009-05-29 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2009 H. Peter
> >Alvin et al.
> >
> >(then nothing happens)
> >
> >David Leeming
> >Solomon Islands Rural Link
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [email protected]
> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas C
> >Gilliard
> >Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 2010 5:14 p.m.
> >To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> >Cc: Sugar Labs Marketing; Sugar devel
> >Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.
> >
> >Great News;
> >
> >Fedora-14-x86_64-Live-SoaS CD Boots fine on an Apple MacBook Air with an
> >external hp-DVD/CD usb drive.
> >
> >Hold "C"  and tap power button keep holding the "C" key down until the
> >blue fedora boot screen appears
> >Select Boot (Basic Video)-second line
> >boots to bar display Fedora 14; (Name_); Choose password for new
> >keyring; hit cancel 6 times.
> >F3 Ring appears
> >
> >Use the usb to cat 5 Air dongle ( applesmc.78) as Network Manager does
> >not recognize the Mac Air's wireless hardware.
> >f1 neighborhood will be full of [email protected] names
> >
> >To fix this go to drop down / My settings /About me. change colors and
> >restart. On restart the names will be correct.
> >ONLY IF you enter the key chain password you entered 1 time when you
> >started sugar.
> >
> >These are known bugs
> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick_Bugs#Current_Bugs
> >
> >ALSO
> >
> >There is a new Boot CD for Macs and computers that cannot boot from USB
> >
> >Boot helper CD for Fedora-14-i686-Live-SoaS:
> >
> >
> >>Matt
> >>
> >>On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Matt Wronkiewicz 
> >wrote:
> >>
>  If anyone else is interested, I put together a boot helper for
>  Mirabelle. Burned to a CD, it enabled booting a USB stick on my
>  MacBook Pro. The stick was partitioned with the plain old MBR format
>  and labeled "FEDORA". I also got both VMware Fusion and VirtualBox to
>  boot the USB stick using this boot helper ISO. The soas-2-boot ISO
>  sort of works with Mirabelle sticks, but they have different kernel
>  versions so modules don't load, thus no networking. That is fixed in
>  this build.
> 
>  
> 
>  Matt
> 
> >>>
> >Please Test these result on other MAC's and report here in wiki:
> >
> >http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick_release_process#Macintosh
> >_Testing
> >
> >Congratulations to all
> >
> >Enjoy;
> >
> >Tom Gilliard
> >satellit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Peter Robinson wrote:
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>This is the non announcement announcement of the release of Sugar on a
> >>Stick 4 Mango Lassi is out.
> >>
> >>You can download both the 32 and 64 bit version from
> >>http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/
> >>
> >>There's an outline of some common bugs in Fedora 14 and hence Fedora
> >>14 outlined here
> >>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs
> >>
> >>Some of the notable enhancements include:
> >>- Sugar 0.90
> >>- Support for more wireless adapters including the rtl2xxx series of
> >>adapters that are common in eee PCs
> >>- Improved Apple Mac support (still

Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-15 Thread Art Hunkins 
This is the same issue I've raised twice before - with no response. I've 
copied Luke Macken, creator of LiveUSB Creator, as well.


The problem is what has been keeping me from testing my activities with 0.90 
SoaS.


Can anything be done about this?

Art Hunkins

- Original Message - 
From: "David Leeming" 
To: "'Thomas C Gilliard'" ; "'Development of 
live Sugar distributions'" 
Cc: "'Sugar Labs Marketing'" ; "'Sugar 
devel'" 

Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.



Testing SOAS 4 Mango Lassi on a 32-bit PC.

Image used is Fedora-14-i686-Live-SoaS.iso and installed using Fedora
LiveUSB Creator 3.9.2 on a 2GB flashdrive that has been tested OK with
Marabelle. I used 498 MB of persistent storage.

Tried in two different computers, reformatted (FAT) and tried again.

All I get is this on boot (below), it does not proceed any further.. I
guess maybe I have the wrong iso or something??

SYSLINUX 3.81 2009-05-29 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2009 H. Peter Alvin et 
al.


(then nothing happens)

David Leeming
Solomon Islands Rural Link


-Original Message-
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas C
Gilliard
Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 2010 5:14 p.m.
To: Development of live Sugar distributions
Cc: Sugar Labs Marketing; Sugar devel
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

Great News;

Fedora-14-x86_64-Live-SoaS CD Boots fine on an Apple MacBook Air with an
external hp-DVD/CD usb drive.

Hold "C"  and tap power button keep holding the "C" key down until the
blue fedora boot screen appears
Select Boot (Basic Video)-second line
boots to bar display Fedora 14; (Name_); Choose password for new
keyring; hit cancel 6 times.
F3 Ring appears

Use the usb to cat 5 Air dongle ( applesmc.78) as Network Manager does
not recognize the Mac Air's wireless hardware.
f1 neighborhood will be full of [email protected] names

To fix this go to drop down / My settings /About me. change colors and
restart. On restart the names will be correct.
ONLY IF you enter the key chain password you entered 1 time when you
started sugar.

These are known bugs
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick_Bugs#Current_Bugs

ALSO

There is a new Boot CD for Macs and computers that cannot boot from USB

Boot helper CD for Fedora-14-i686-Live-SoaS:



Matt

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Matt Wronkiewicz 

wrote:



> If anyone else is interested, I put together a boot helper for
> Mirabelle. Burned to a CD, it enabled booting a USB stick on my
> MacBook Pro. The stick was partitioned with the plain old MBR format
> and labeled "FEDORA". I also got both VMware Fusion and VirtualBox to
> boot the USB stick using this boot helper ISO. The soas-2-boot ISO
> sort of works with Mirabelle sticks, but they have different kernel
> versions so modules don't load, thus no networking. That is fixed in
> this build.
>
> 
>
> Matt
>


Please Test these result on other MAC's and report here in wiki:

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick_release_process#Macintosh
_Testing

Congratulations to all

Enjoy;

Tom Gilliard
satellit





Peter Robinson wrote:

Hi All,

This is the non announcement announcement of the release of Sugar on a
Stick 4 Mango Lassi is out.

You can download both the 32 and 64 bit version from
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/

There's an outline of some common bugs in Fedora 14 and hence Fedora
14 outlined here
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs

Some of the notable enhancements include:
- Sugar 0.90
- Support for more wireless adapters including the rtl2xxx series of
adapters that are common in eee PCs
- Improved Apple Mac support (still needs SoaS verification as
apparently its a major problem but I could only find Fedora people to
test it for me)
- Quite a lot of things that I can't remember

I would like to thank Sebastian, Mel, Simon, Thomas and everyone else
who has contributed to this release.

Cheers,
Peter
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-15 Thread David Leeming 
Testing SOAS 4 Mango Lassi on a 32-bit PC. 

Image used is Fedora-14-i686-Live-SoaS.iso and installed using Fedora
LiveUSB Creator 3.9.2 on a 2GB flashdrive that has been tested OK with
Marabelle. I used 498 MB of persistent storage. 

Tried in two different computers, reformatted (FAT) and tried again.

All I get is this on boot (below), it does not proceed any further.. I
guess maybe I have the wrong iso or something??

SYSLINUX 3.81 2009-05-29 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2009 H. Peter Alvin et al.

(then nothing happens)

David Leeming
Solomon Islands Rural Link 


-Original Message-
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas C
Gilliard
Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 2010 5:14 p.m.
To: Development of live Sugar distributions
Cc: Sugar Labs Marketing; Sugar devel
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

Great News;

Fedora-14-x86_64-Live-SoaS CD Boots fine on an Apple MacBook Air with an 
external hp-DVD/CD usb drive.

Hold "C"  and tap power button keep holding the "C" key down until the 
blue fedora boot screen appears
Select Boot (Basic Video)-second line
boots to bar display Fedora 14; (Name_); Choose password for new 
keyring; hit cancel 6 times.
F3 Ring appears

Use the usb to cat 5 Air dongle ( applesmc.78) as Network Manager does 
not recognize the Mac Air's wireless hardware.
f1 neighborhood will be full of [email protected] names

To fix this go to drop down / My settings /About me. change colors and 
restart. On restart the names will be correct.
ONLY IF you enter the key chain password you entered 1 time when you 
started sugar.

These are known bugs
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick_Bugs#Current_Bugs

ALSO

There is a new Boot CD for Macs and computers that cannot boot from USB

Boot helper CD for Fedora-14-i686-Live-SoaS:


> Matt
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Matt Wronkiewicz 
wrote:
>   
>> > If anyone else is interested, I put together a boot helper for
>> > Mirabelle. Burned to a CD, it enabled booting a USB stick on my
>> > MacBook Pro. The stick was partitioned with the plain old MBR format
>> > and labeled "FEDORA". I also got both VMware Fusion and VirtualBox to
>> > boot the USB stick using this boot helper ISO. The soas-2-boot ISO
>> > sort of works with Mirabelle sticks, but they have different kernel
>> > versions so modules don't load, thus no networking. That is fixed in
>> > this build.
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> 
Please Test these result on other MAC's and report here in wiki:

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick_release_process#Macintosh
_Testing

Congratulations to all

Enjoy;

Tom Gilliard
satellit





Peter Robinson wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This is the non announcement announcement of the release of Sugar on a
> Stick 4 Mango Lassi is out.
>
> You can download both the 32 and 64 bit version from
> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/
>
> There's an outline of some common bugs in Fedora 14 and hence Fedora
> 14 outlined here
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs
>
> Some of the notable enhancements include:
> - Sugar 0.90
> - Support for more wireless adapters including the rtl2xxx series of
> adapters that are common in eee PCs
> - Improved Apple Mac support (still needs SoaS verification as
> apparently its a major problem but I could only find Fedora people to
> test it for me)
> - Quite a lot of things that I can't remember
>
> I would like to thank Sebastian, Mel, Simon, Thomas and everyone else
> who has contributed to this release.
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
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Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SoaS 4 - Mango Lassi is out.

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Robinson 
Thanks, submitted a ticket to get that fixed.

Peter

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Thomas Gilliard  wrote:
> The "About" page still says third edition mirabelle
>
> Tom Gilliard
>
> Peter Robinson wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> This is the non announcement announcement of the release of Sugar on a
>> Stick 4 Mango Lassi is out.
>>
>> You can download both the 32 and 64 bit version from
>> http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/
>>
>> There's an outline of some common bugs in Fedora 14 and hence Fedora
>> 14 outlined here
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs
>>
>> Some of the notable enhancements include:
>> - Sugar 0.90
>> - Support for more wireless adapters including the rtl2xxx series of
>> adapters that are common in eee PCs
>> - Improved Apple Mac support (still needs SoaS verification as
>> apparently its a major problem but I could only find Fedora people to
>> test it for me)
>> - Quite a lot of things that I can't remember
>>
>> I would like to thank Sebastian, Mel, Simon, Thomas and everyone else
>> who has contributed to this release.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Peter
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