bill
1. independence of the fed boils down to setting fed 
funds rate, that is all. the first time it bounces a 
treasury check, greenspan & co. will be out.
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Reply:  Treasury never forces the issue. It always 
covers the checks it writes completely from taxes and 
security sales.  The more likely outcome from a 
bounced check (which itself is quite unlikely because 
the issue will never be forced) would be that it 
would be the Secretary of Treasury who would be axed 
for incompetence, not the Federal Reserve Board 
chairman.

As Commander-in-Chief, I suppose, the President in 
theory could march the army down the street on his 
own authority, and arrest Greenspan in his office.  
Whether or not he could make it stick is an open 
question.  It would be constitutional crisis of the 
first order.  The tinpots couldn't even make the 
arrest of Hugo Chavez stick in a country where such 
arrests are standard practice.  They are not standard 
practice in the United States which makes a religion 
out of the rule of law.
--

and when all is said and done, the ffr matters very 
little. 
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Reply:  True.
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(also note that greenspan now has virtually no 
credibility in govt or in financial mkts--even the 
economist regularly ridicules him. better find 
another villain.)
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Reply:  Did you not see the recent Greenspan 
testimony to the Banking Committee on CSPAN?  I 
believe the streaming video is still available at 
http://www.cspan.org .  Committee members were 
effusive with praise.  Only nut-cases Bernie Sanders 
and Ron Paul dissented, who are taken seriously by 
nobody--repeat--nobody.  The informed dissenters like 
Patman are long gone.  Perhaps you could broaden your 
reading a bit beyond the Economist.
--

2. watch ffr carefully and you will see that a few 
minutes after a fed announcement of rate change, it 
instantly jumps to the target--whether or not there 
has been any buying/selling of treasuries.
randy
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Reply:  Regardless of what actually causes the 
change, they think--or claim--it is caused by the 
churning.  "Whether or not" is not a consideration 
because inferred is the assumption it could be "not."  
The Fed is constantly and simultaneously purchasing 
and selling securities (mostly in the form of 
derivatives of federal securities like "repos" and 
"swaps") through the so-called "open market."  To 
effect a change of $20 billion in system reserves 
they conduct $3,700 billion in transactions, in ratio 
of 185 to 1.  Whatever is in fact the intent or the 
result, there is no doubt it does enrich certain 
privileged beneficiaries of Wall Street.



--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:43:10
From: "Wray, Randall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 

>bill
>1. independence of the fed boils down to setting fed funds rate, that is all. the 
>first time it bounces a treasury check, greenspan & co. will be out. and when all is 
>said and done, the ffr matters very little. (also note that greenspan now has 
>virtually no credibility in govt or in financial mkts--even the economist regularly 
>ridicules him. better find another villain.)
>2. watch ffr carefully and you will see that a few minutes after a fed announcement 
>of rate change, it instantly jumps to the target--whether or not there has been any 
>buying/selling of treasuries.
>randy
>



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