Sorry I arrived so late to the conversation…

Regarding the CHOPs implementation, I feel it is a great approach although it 
is harder to see than in XSI, no doubt. Nevertheless promotes modular rigging 
and given it is a single processing engine what you have, the ability to do 
interesting things like filtering the signal opens quite a few new 
possibilities.

I would love the shelf toolset defaults to be better, and may be this is 
something I should have already highlighted but I have been very busy.. 
nevertheless it is worth to have a more predictable behaviour.

May be I will prepare a few examples on how to use them… mmm..

cheers
jb




> On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:22, Anto Matkovic <a...@matkovic.com> wrote:
> 
> If engine does not 'breathing', no one in TD *position* would be able to 
> change things, significantly. Has nothing with skills of that TD. There where 
> similar cases in past, like Master Zap for Mental Ray, or Pixar TD for Modo, 
> not so sucesfull, nicely to say. Most likely that engine is what's happen 
> *before* Open Gl displaying of this or that, that is, something does not 
> looking good with CHOPs. Crowd engine is a different beast, more like 
> particle engine with a lot of repeating, parallel tasks, without need for 
> direct interaction.
> 
> 
> From: Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>
> To: Anto Matkovic <a...@matkovic.com>; Official Softimage Users Mailing List. 
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> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: H16 Constraint behavior
> 
> Anto, I'm no more a Houdini supporter than any other customer. Sure I feel 
> it's the best chance we have of a single DCC replacement to Softimage but 
> rigging is one of the areas where Houdini has the furthest to go. And to be 
> frank and don't think it will ever offer the completeness of Soft.
> 
> We're lucky that Michael Goldfarb takes the time to listen to our 
> frustrations ref rigging in Houdini and Discord is the place that he's most 
> likely to to be able to engage in direct conversation. I don't see how that's 
> a problem. As for 'he's just a TD'. It's great that SideFX actively recruit 
> experienced industry TD's, developers working solus, aren't always the best 
> folk for designing workflows. Looking at Michaels CV, I'd say he adds a lot, 
> particularly with regards to workflow: - 
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> On 6 November 2017 at 10:57, Anto Matkovic <a...@matkovic.com 
> <mailto:a...@matkovic.com>> wrote:
> That would  be great. Last time I created a rig in Houdini, somehow it was 
> faster and easier to create Houdini style rig in Softimage, first, then the 
> to re-assemble it in H, step by step. However, evaluation was unacceptable 
> slow, whatever I tried, so I don't see any future when it comes to anything 
> real-time, in H. This was Houdini 14, more or less same story in 16.
> 
> Constant referring to their rigging TD, by other Houdini supporters, this is 
> another very bad sign - it seems they already admitted defeat, leaving 
> everything to one guy who already can't do anything significant, because he 
> is just TD.
> 
> 
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> I prefer the new setup in CHOPs, but its still hard to *SEE* in one view 
> what's going on, so hopefully they move CHOPs along with everything else into 
> VOPs so we can make sense of it all in one place to change world local space, 
> geo, etc just like in ICE.
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