I guess the concepts are rooted in our reality and therefore it is only natural the approaches are not that dissimilar, but it is fun to realise Softimage Models were so advanced at the time as to be compared and all to USD.
IMHO USD is a major leap forward and models and references are a minor attribute as the real meat is the whole versioning in combination with layering which somehow makes me thing of XML document conversions for the web and data mining but I digress.. USD is a framework and the scope is enormous, to the point that you don’t need Alembic if you don’t want to, and chances are materialX becomes irrelevant as well. I see the Houdini implementation presented at Siggraph and it is in my little knowledge a true disruptor to the point that if it will leverage scale to the masses, something we don’t have yet so I expect companies to start exploring it and moving towards it real fast. Furthermore, Apple is amongst many big companies investing tons of money into it as they have decided it to be their standard in the iOS and OSX content system, for all VR expect to see a lot of USDZ (the compressed version) and as such, I feel the industry money being pouring into USD will become very obvious very soon. Then you add Hydra to the mix and the whole concept of a render engine becomes quite more subtle as we will see the real differences between them in how they implement algorithms… right now there are many other important tasks the render engine does that via Hydra it won’t (think the deep integration of Mental Ray with Softimage but in a generalised way…) Meaning, we are going to see speed increases on the pure raytracing more than texture management so I hope that allows these engines to focus on what is important and for us artists to move to the engine because we need those features. IMHO this is a whole new world bigger than reference model, this is proper asset management and rendering pipeline all in one. My 2 cents jb > On 26 Aug 2019, at 20:20, Pierre Schiller <activemotionpictu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Such marvelous insight. Thanks for sharing Steven. > Great info. > www.3dcinetv.com > 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> > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 1:46 PM Steven Caron <car...@gmail.com > <mailto:car...@gmail.com>> wrote: > It would be purely speculative to comment about Animal Logic's pipeline. So I > won't. > > I can see what your saying about people using Softimage probably appreciate > something like USD more than users of other packages but the desire to work > this way has been around for a while. We have had slice of this with > Softimage a lot longer than most, we also had better render passes then > everyone else for probably a decade. Maybe links are being made but just not > as deep as you think. People have wanted something like USD for many years, I > think you see people embracing it because they needed it so bad. > > I did work at Omation, I honestly am a little fuzzy about the details but I > used (and tested) Helge, Adam, and Mike's work on 'metascene'. But it wasn't > that similar to USD and it kinda solved some issues which were unique to > Softimage at the time. Which then Helge went to work at Avid and helped > address with the 6.0 referencing rewrite. > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:31 AM Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com > <mailto:jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > And now that I have the right Steve, I believe you worked at Omation during > the period of the Spider-man reboots (and Barnyard) so any other nuggets > would be appreciated. :) > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 19:23, Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com > <mailto:jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Steve, do you think that having a familiarity with the way that namespaces > working inside of Softimage Models (not just Reference Models) provides an > advantage for those looking to utilise USD in their pipeline. The parallels I > was alluding to originally was inspired by a couple of old posts by Andy > Nicolas and Helge Mathee on the Softimage Blog back in 2005. > > https://u9432639.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=ER6g8P-2FpScLji9CcWuttnoJo8h5x-2FYAblfkiLX8DHH4mVWPHfbE1nKzeqUoi-2B3kT09dYJWU-2B3edMP7jc7HE1Xw-3D-3D_a6oQc7tnfcb0GKvoO27fPkrQ0ATQyF1SDBXJOg7-2FbuSHJrl9-2FNvrsWqKBodaTj85WoDmCOQpj4UWohAR2SclX4WdHJf8h-2BOdHEQNvvHT8mXXh4LFQDIINV4Rkr8eA07C37uq-2FB-2FjI3dMmi5FTC2EjBQvWvxREK7kt2qbKcV5c-2FeAOycrKLbCQ97qpO-2FbKiR47P39Hj6RUjQJZmRNa5Njg23zd6OaIZ67GnFPOno9yaQ-3D > > 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> > The prescience on show from the pair as to the potential of an XML based > pipeline is impressive, and has many parallels to the USD benefits we see > realised today (particularly in Helge's post, Andy's provides to technical > insight without getting into the vision too much). Obviously we're talking > 2005 here but it feels to me that USD has in part grown from the more > sophisticated pipelines of the 00's (Helge references the pipeline used on > the first two Spiderman reboots of the 00's). > > Considering that Animal Logic were pretty much a Softimage shop, well from > 2003 onward (with Houdini for FX) pre Soft's EOL, it's seems more than > coincidence that they were responsible for the first robust open source USD > implementation. > > Maybe I'm making links were none exist, but I can see a big advantage in > recruiting technical artists with a Soft background as USD and MaterialX gain > traction. > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 16:47, Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com > <mailto:jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > My bad, that's exactly who I was thinking of. 🤦 > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 16:42, Steven Caron <car...@gmail.com > <mailto:car...@gmail.com>> wrote: > I am not part of the Arnold team... I work at Quixel now. Maybe you're > thinking of magnificent Stephen Blair? > > *written with my thumbs > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 8:34 AM Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com > <mailto:jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Steve, have you had any exposure to the Maya plugin version of Animal Logic's > USD environment? I understand you're part of the Arnold team these days, but > I wondered if you've been exposed to anything you can talk about? > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 16:25, Steven Caron <car...@gmail.com > <mailto:car...@gmail.com>> wrote: > USD has an API, can be edited with python, and a human readable format if > desired. All huge benefits over 'ref models' > > > *written with my thumbs > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 4:25 AM Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com > <mailto:jonathan.moo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > At a high level USD and the way that referencing was handled in Softimage > through 'Models' has many parallels. I'm interested in any thoughts and > opinions some of you may have having utilised both USD and Softimage > 'Referenced Models'. Even if you haven't used USD in production yet I'm > interested in any thoughts you may have regarding its possible benefits and > pitfalls. > > This is an open question so I won't colour it with my opinions but any > thoughts you might have will be most appreciated as I'm providing some > background info for a client. > ------ > Softimage Mailing List. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com > <mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com> with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, and reply to confirm. > ------ > Softimage Mailing List. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com > <mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com> with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, and reply to confirm. > ------ > Softimage Mailing List. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com > <mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com> with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, and reply to confirm. > ------ > Softimage Mailing List. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com > <mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com> with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, and reply to confirm. > ------ > Softimage Mailing List. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com > <mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com> with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, and reply to confirm. > ------ > Softimage Mailing List. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com > <mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com> with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, and reply to confirm. > ------ > Softimage Mailing List. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com > <mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com> with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, and reply to confirm. > ------ > Softimage Mailing List. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com > <mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com> with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, and reply to confirm.
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