Re: Re: "correct" format for the md5 files?

2006-12-08 Thread Yoav Shapira
BTW, for those concerned, there's nothing at the ASF that says you must use only MD5. You can add SHA-1 or any other algorithm if you want. See Ant for example: they've been doing MD5 and SHA-1 side by side for years now (http://ant.apache.org/bindownload.cgi) Yoav On 12/8/06, Yonik Seeley <[E

Re: Re: "correct" format for the md5 files?

2006-12-08 Thread Yonik Seeley
On 12/8/06, Chris Hostetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : It _is_ a valid concern in general (I would never use md5 as a : cryptographic hash, e.g., for passwords), but significantly less of a : concern for this use. The most important role of the hash is to : ensure no corruption occurred during

Re: Re: "correct" format for the md5 files?

2006-12-08 Thread Chris Hostetter
: It _is_ a valid concern in general (I would never use md5 as a : cryptographic hash, e.g., for passwords), but significantly less of a : concern for this use. The most important role of the hash is to : ensure no corruption occurred during transfer. Bingo: We checksum the files with MD5, we s

Re: Re: "correct" format for the md5 files?

2006-12-08 Thread Mike Klaas
On 12/8/06, Simon Willnauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh by the way I do have 2 people in this room being able to find collisions to md5 within the next 15 minutes. But it is true that this is quiet hypothetical . anyway... Can they also produce a malicious distribution of solr which hashes i

Re: "correct" format for the md5 files?

2006-12-08 Thread Simon Willnauer
Oh by the way I do have 2 people in this room being able to find collisions to md5 within the next 15 minutes. But it is true that this is quiet hypothetical . anyway... yours simon On 12/8/06, Simon Willnauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: True, so do it proper if you can. best regards simon O

Re: "correct" format for the md5 files?

2006-12-08 Thread Simon Willnauer
True, so do it proper if you can. best regards simon On 12/8/06, WHIRLYCOTT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This isn't as urgent as you make it out to be. There are just a few people in the world, mostly Chinese researchers, who have the capability to do this. I agree that SHA is better, but this

Re: "correct" format for the md5 files?

2006-12-08 Thread Simon Willnauer
Hello, I'm wondering why people still use MD5 for digital signatures and / or checksums. Recent results on the analysis of MD5 reduce the effort to find collisions to a few minutes on an old notebook. Thus, collision and multi-collision attacks on MD5 are feasible and practical. I would recommend

Re: "correct" format for the md5 files?

2006-12-08 Thread WHIRLYCOTT
This isn't as urgent as you make it out to be. There are just a few people in the world, mostly Chinese researchers, who have the capability to do this. I agree that SHA is better, but this clearly isn't the type of thing that should hold up a Solr release! phil. On Dec 8, 2006, at 4:37

Re: "correct" format for the md5 files?

2006-12-08 Thread Chris Hostetter
: The format that Yonik used works (on my macosx system, but also under : Linux I suspect) with : : md5sum -c apache-solr-1.1.0-incubating.tgz.md5 hey look at that ... a "-c" option on md5sum. The FreeBSD md5 command doesn't seem to have a corrisponding check command, so making sure "md5sum -c"

Re: "correct" format for the md5 files?

2006-12-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 12/8/06, Chris Hostetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...but it got me wondering, what format do we want?... The format that Yonik used works (on my macosx system, but also under Linux I suspect) with md5sum -c apache-solr-1.1.0-incubating.tgz.md5 which is convenient I think. -Bertrand

"correct" format for the md5 files?

2006-12-08 Thread Chris Hostetter
I thought adding the hooks to out build.xml to generate the MD5 sums as part of the package command (so we don't have to run it manually) would be relaly easy ... but discovered that ant outputs only the checksum to the files -- no input filename, no newline. aparently, a "format" option has bee