Re: Solr Autoscaling multi-AZ rules
The meaning of Replication Factor is screwed up. Replication factor is
a number. RF=3 means there are 3 replicas for each shard.
I understand that {"replica": "<7", "node":"#ANY"} may result in two
replicas of the same shard ending up on the same node. However, the
other rule should prevent this: {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH",
"node": "#ANY"}
So by using both rules, that should mean "no more than six replicas on
a node, where all the replicas on that node represent distinct
shards". Right?
Yes you are right
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:17 AM, Jeff Wartes wrote:
>
> I managed to miss this reply earlier, but:
>
> Shard: A logical segment of a collection
> Replica: A physical core, representing a particular Shard
> Replication Factor (RF): A set of Replicas, such that a single Replica exists
> for each Shard in a Collection.
> Availability Zone (AZ): A partitioned set of nodes such that a physical or
> hardware failure in one AZ should not affect another AZ. AZ could mean
> distinct racks in a data center, or distinct data centers, but I happen to
> specifically mean the AWS definition here:
> https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/using-regions-availability-zones.html#concepts-regions-availability-zones
>
> So an RF2 collection with 2 shards means I have four Replicas in my
> collection, two shard1 and two shard2. If it's RF3, then I have six: three
> shard1 and three shard2.
> I'm using "Distinct RF" as a shorthand for "a single replica for every shard
> in the collection".
> In the RF2 example above, if I have two Availability Zones, I would want a
> Distinct RF in each AZ. So, a replica for shard1 and shard2 in AZ1, and a
> replica for shard1 and shard2 in AZ2. I would *not* want, say, both shard1
> replicas in AZ1 because then a failure of AZ1 could leave me with no replicas
> for shard1 and an incomplete collection.
> If I had RF6 and two AZs, I would want three Distinct RFs in each AZ. (three
> replicas for each shard, per AZ)
>
> I understand that {"replica": "<7", "node":"#ANY"} may result in two replicas
> of the same shard ending up on the same node. However, the other rule should
> prevent this: {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH", "node": "#ANY"}
> So by using both rules, that should mean "no more than six replicas on a
> node, where all the replicas on that node represent distinct shards". Right?
>
>
>
> On 2/12/18, 12:18 PM, "Noble Paul" wrote:
>
> >>Goal: No node should have more than 6 shards
>
> This is not possible today
>
> {"replica": "<7", "node":"#ANY"} , means don't put more than 7
> replicas of the collection (irrespective of the shards) in a given
> node
>
> what do you mean by distinct 'RF' ? I think we are screwing up the
> terminologies a bit here
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Jeff Wartes
> wrote:
> > I’ve been messing around with the Solr 7.2 autoscaling framework this
> week. Some things seem trivial, but I’m also running into questions and
> issues. If anyone else has experience with this stuff, I’d be glad to hear
> it. Specifically:
> >
> >
> > Context:
> > -One collection, consisting of 42 shards, where up to 6 shards can fit
> on a single node. (which means 7 nodes per Replication Factor)
> > -Three AZs, each with its own ip_2 value.
> >
> > Goals:
> >
> > Goal: Fully utilize available nodes.
> > Cluster Preference: {“maximize”: "cores”}
> >
> > Goal: No node should have more than one replica of a given shard
> > Rule: {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH", "node": "#ANY"}
> >
> > Goal: No node should have more than 6 shards
> > Rule: {"replica": "<7", "node":"#ANY"}
> >
> > Goal: Where possible, distinct RFs should each exist in an AZ.
> > (Example1: I’d like 7 nodes with a complete RF in AZ 1 and 7 nodes with
> a complete RF in AZ 2, and not end up with, say, both shard2 replicas in AZ 1)
> > (Example2: If I have 14 nodes in AZ 1 and 7 in AZ 2, I should have two
> full RFs in AZ 1 and one in AZ 2)
> > Rule: ???
> >
> > I could have multiple non-strict rules perhaps? Like:
> > {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "1", "strict":false}
> > {"replica": "<3", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "1", "strict":false}
> > {"replica": "<4", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "1", "strict":false}
> > {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "2", "strict":false}
> > {"replica": "<3", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "2", "strict":false}
> > {"replica": "<4", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "2", "strict":false}
> > etc
> > So having more than one RF in an AZ is a technical “violation”, but if
> placement minimizes non-strict violations, replicas would tend to get placed
> correctly.
> >
> >
> > Given a working set of rules, I’m still having trouble with two things:
> >
> > 1. I’ve manually created the
Re: Solr Autoscaling multi-AZ rules
I managed to miss this reply earlier, but:
Shard: A logical segment of a collection
Replica: A physical core, representing a particular Shard
Replication Factor (RF): A set of Replicas, such that a single Replica exists
for each Shard in a Collection.
Availability Zone (AZ): A partitioned set of nodes such that a physical or
hardware failure in one AZ should not affect another AZ. AZ could mean distinct
racks in a data center, or distinct data centers, but I happen to specifically
mean the AWS definition here:
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/using-regions-availability-zones.html#concepts-regions-availability-zones
So an RF2 collection with 2 shards means I have four Replicas in my collection,
two shard1 and two shard2. If it's RF3, then I have six: three shard1 and three
shard2.
I'm using "Distinct RF" as a shorthand for "a single replica for every shard in
the collection".
In the RF2 example above, if I have two Availability Zones, I would want a
Distinct RF in each AZ. So, a replica for shard1 and shard2 in AZ1, and a
replica for shard1 and shard2 in AZ2. I would *not* want, say, both shard1
replicas in AZ1 because then a failure of AZ1 could leave me with no replicas
for shard1 and an incomplete collection.
If I had RF6 and two AZs, I would want three Distinct RFs in each AZ. (three
replicas for each shard, per AZ)
I understand that {"replica": "<7", "node":"#ANY"} may result in two replicas
of the same shard ending up on the same node. However, the other rule should
prevent this: {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH", "node": "#ANY"}
So by using both rules, that should mean "no more than six replicas on a node,
where all the replicas on that node represent distinct shards". Right?
On 2/12/18, 12:18 PM, "Noble Paul" wrote:
>>Goal: No node should have more than 6 shards
This is not possible today
{"replica": "<7", "node":"#ANY"} , means don't put more than 7
replicas of the collection (irrespective of the shards) in a given
node
what do you mean by distinct 'RF' ? I think we are screwing up the
terminologies a bit here
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Jeff Wartes wrote:
> I’ve been messing around with the Solr 7.2 autoscaling framework this
week. Some things seem trivial, but I’m also running into questions and issues.
If anyone else has experience with this stuff, I’d be glad to hear it.
Specifically:
>
>
> Context:
> -One collection, consisting of 42 shards, where up to 6 shards can fit on
a single node. (which means 7 nodes per Replication Factor)
> -Three AZs, each with its own ip_2 value.
>
> Goals:
>
> Goal: Fully utilize available nodes.
> Cluster Preference: {“maximize”: "cores”}
>
> Goal: No node should have more than one replica of a given shard
> Rule: {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH", "node": "#ANY"}
>
> Goal: No node should have more than 6 shards
> Rule: {"replica": "<7", "node":"#ANY"}
>
> Goal: Where possible, distinct RFs should each exist in an AZ.
> (Example1: I’d like 7 nodes with a complete RF in AZ 1 and 7 nodes with a
complete RF in AZ 2, and not end up with, say, both shard2 replicas in AZ 1)
> (Example2: If I have 14 nodes in AZ 1 and 7 in AZ 2, I should have two
full RFs in AZ 1 and one in AZ 2)
> Rule: ???
>
> I could have multiple non-strict rules perhaps? Like:
> {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "1", "strict":false}
> {"replica": "<3", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "1", "strict":false}
> {"replica": "<4", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "1", "strict":false}
> {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "2", "strict":false}
> {"replica": "<3", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "2", "strict":false}
> {"replica": "<4", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "2", "strict":false}
> etc
> So having more than one RF in an AZ is a technical “violation”, but if
placement minimizes non-strict violations, replicas would tend to get placed
correctly.
>
>
> Given a working set of rules, I’m still having trouble with two things:
>
> 1. I’ve manually created the “.system” collection, as it didn’t seem
to get created automatically. However, autoscaling activity is not getting
logged to it.
> 2. I can’t seem to figure out how to scale up.
> * I’d presumed editing the collection’s “replicationFactor” would
do the trick, but it does not.
> * The “node-up” trigger will serve to replace lost replicas, but
won’t otherwise take advantage of additional capacity.
>
>i.
There’s a UTILIZENODE command in 7.2, but it appears that’s still something you
need to trigger manually.
>
> Anyone played with this stuff?
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Noble Paul
Re: Solr Autoscaling multi-AZ rules
>>Goal: No node should have more than 6 shards
This is not possible today
{"replica": "<7", "node":"#ANY"} , means don't put more than 7
replicas of the collection (irrespective of the shards) in a given
node
what do you mean by distinct 'RF' ? I think we are screwing up the
terminologies a bit here
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Jeff Wartes wrote:
> I’ve been messing around with the Solr 7.2 autoscaling framework this week.
> Some things seem trivial, but I’m also running into questions and issues. If
> anyone else has experience with this stuff, I’d be glad to hear it.
> Specifically:
>
>
> Context:
> -One collection, consisting of 42 shards, where up to 6 shards can fit on a
> single node. (which means 7 nodes per Replication Factor)
> -Three AZs, each with its own ip_2 value.
>
> Goals:
>
> Goal: Fully utilize available nodes.
> Cluster Preference: {“maximize”: "cores”}
>
> Goal: No node should have more than one replica of a given shard
> Rule: {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH", "node": "#ANY"}
>
> Goal: No node should have more than 6 shards
> Rule: {"replica": "<7", "node":"#ANY"}
>
> Goal: Where possible, distinct RFs should each exist in an AZ.
> (Example1: I’d like 7 nodes with a complete RF in AZ 1 and 7 nodes with a
> complete RF in AZ 2, and not end up with, say, both shard2 replicas in AZ 1)
> (Example2: If I have 14 nodes in AZ 1 and 7 in AZ 2, I should have two full
> RFs in AZ 1 and one in AZ 2)
> Rule: ???
>
> I could have multiple non-strict rules perhaps? Like:
> {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "1", "strict":false}
> {"replica": "<3", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "1", "strict":false}
> {"replica": "<4", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "1", "strict":false}
> {"replica": "<2", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "2", "strict":false}
> {"replica": "<3", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "2", "strict":false}
> {"replica": "<4", "shard": "#EACH", "ip_2": "2", "strict":false}
> etc
> So having more than one RF in an AZ is a technical “violation”, but if
> placement minimizes non-strict violations, replicas would tend to get placed
> correctly.
>
>
> Given a working set of rules, I’m still having trouble with two things:
>
> 1. I’ve manually created the “.system” collection, as it didn’t seem to
> get created automatically. However, autoscaling activity is not getting
> logged to it.
> 2. I can’t seem to figure out how to scale up.
> * I’d presumed editing the collection’s “replicationFactor” would do
> the trick, but it does not.
> * The “node-up” trigger will serve to replace lost replicas, but won’t
> otherwise take advantage of additional capacity.
>
>i.
> There’s a UTILIZENODE command in 7.2, but it appears that’s still something
> you need to trigger manually.
>
> Anyone played with this stuff?
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Noble Paul
