Re: CVS commit: src/distrib/sets/lists

2011-01-19 Thread Adam Hamsik
On Jan,Wednesday 19 2011, at 10:07 PM, Havard Eidnes wrote: > Module Name: src > Committed By: he > Date: Wed Jan 19 21:07:18 UTC 2011 > > Modified Files: > src/distrib/sets/lists/base: shl.mi > src/distrib/sets/lists/comp: mi shl.mi > > Log Message: > Mark the set list ent

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:16:41PM +, David Holland wrote: > The most important lesson to learn in software is that it's ok to be > wrong and that when you are wrong, the sooner someone notices the > better. We all make mistakes; we all make lots of mistakes, all the > time. (Writing this post

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread David Holland
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:13:15AM +0100, haad wrote: > We need some proper way how to evaluate changes, discussion about them > is clearly not good way. Because most of best developers are not > talking in those never ending mail threads. In practice most active > never ending mail writers co

Re: CVS commit: src

2011-01-19 Thread David Holland
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:42:29AM +0200, Antti Kantee wrote: > Speaking as a member of core, but voicing my personal opinion. > > Please, roughly in the following order, > > 1) stop proposing changes without impact > >every proposal should be about fixing a real problem. removing >

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Warner Losh
On 01/19/2011 03:13, haad wrote: On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Alan Barrett wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:34:23AM +1100, Simon Burge wrote: Why was this removed when there was an active discussion about removing it where no concensus was reac

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Martin Husemann
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:20:40PM +0200, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: > Being naive as I am, I believe a software project can adopt healthier and > more productive "software engineering" practices. If you want to change established procedures, change them first. Do not explicitly violate them and hope f

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Martin Husemann
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:13:15AM +0100, haad wrote: > Truly I haven't seen any discussion which had more than 10mails where > clear consensus was made. Thats not going to happen. It is possible and it has happened. IMHO it clearly depends on the quality of the original proposal/question. In thi

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:31:27AM +0200, Alan Barrett wrote: > I don't care much about /usr/share/misc/operator, but I do care about > people making changes without discussion, or making changes with too > little discussion, or making changes that go against the consensus of > the discussion. For

Re: Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread haad
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Alan Barrett wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:34:23AM +1100, Simon Burge wrote: >> > Why was this removed when there was an active discussion about removing >> > it where no concensus was reached?  This sort of thin

Changes made with too little discussion

2011-01-19 Thread Alan Barrett
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:34:23AM +1100, Simon Burge wrote: > > Why was this removed when there was an active discussion about removing > > it where no concensus was reached? This sort of thing where commis > > occur before a discussion is finished see