Re: CVS commit: src/sys/arch

2011-08-30 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:28:20AM -0400, Jared McNeill wrote: Uh? The bktr driver works fine and the cards are still useful and they drivers are not modularized. But in my opinion, like many things, it is not something to be enabled by default in the GENERIC kernels. - Jukka. -Original

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Matthias Scheler
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 05:58:02AM +, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: Module Name: src Committed By: jruoho Date: Tue Aug 30 05:58:02 UTC 2011 Modified Files: src/share/man/man4: bktr.4 Log Message: Note that bktr(4) is not part of the dtv(4) infrastructure. XXX: This driver

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:42:34PM +0300, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: mplayer, MythTV, VDR, Kaffeine, VLC, Totem, you name it -- won't work. Correction: mplayer may work. I have couple of these cards and if time permits, I might consider a dtv(4) rewrite. - Jukka.

Re: CVS commit: src/sys/arch

2011-08-30 Thread Marc Balmer
Am 30.08.11 12:33, schrieb Jukka Ruohonen: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:28:20AM -0400, Jared McNeill wrote: Uh? The bktr driver works fine and the cards are still useful and they drivers are not modularized. But in my opinion, like many things, it is not something to be enabled by default in

Re: CVS commit: src/sys/arch

2011-08-30 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:14:53PM +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: Am 30.08.11 12:33, schrieb Jukka Ruohonen: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:28:20AM -0400, Jared McNeill wrote: Uh? The bktr driver works fine and the cards are still useful and they drivers are not modularized. But in my opinion,

Re: CVS commit: src/sys/arch

2011-08-30 Thread David Young
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 08:01:13AM +, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: Module Name: src Committed By: jruoho Date: Tue Aug 30 08:01:13 UTC 2011 Modified Files: src/sys/arch/amd64/conf: GENERIC src/sys/arch/i386/conf: GENERIC Log Message: Comment out the legacy bktr(4)

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread David Young
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 05:58:02AM +, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: Module Name: src Committed By: jruoho Date: Tue Aug 30 05:58:02 UTC 2011 Modified Files: src/share/man/man4: bktr.4 Log Message: Note that bktr(4) is not part of the dtv(4) infrastructure. XXX: This driver

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:10:05AM -0500, David Young wrote: The driver should be converted, however, I don't think that there is a case for bluntly removing bktr(4), Yes, I was corrected already (the conversion should go towards video(4)). But as always, it is about picking the good

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Marc Balmer
Am 30.08.11 18:22, schrieb Jukka Ruohonen: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:10:05AM -0500, David Young wrote: The driver should be converted, however, I don't think that there is a case for bluntly removing bktr(4), Yes, I was corrected already (the conversion should go towards video(4)). But

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Matthias Scheler
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:42:18PM +0200, Martin Husemann wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 01:31:50PM +0100, Matthias Scheler wrote: It is supported by pkgsrc/multimedia/fxtv which the last time I had an analog TV feed worked well enough to watch TV. Just curious: are there analog TV feeds

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Matthias Scheler
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:42:34PM +0300, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: XXX: This driver should be converted (or even bluntly removed, given the lack of general third-party software support). It is supported by pkgsrc/multimedia/fxtv which the last time I had an analog TV feed worked

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:33:18PM +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: Am 30.08.11 18:22, schrieb Jukka Ruohonen: And why should GENERIC *not* support hardware that is available, works, and is of use to someone? If GENERIC is to support only the idea of what an OS should look for some developers, why

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Marc Balmer
Am 30.08.11 18:44, schrieb Jukka Ruohonen: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:33:18PM +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: Am 30.08.11 18:22, schrieb Jukka Ruohonen: And why should GENERIC *not* support hardware that is available, works, and is of use to someone? If GENERIC is to support only the idea of what

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Jukka Ruohonen
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:51:09PM +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: To address this issue, I think we are slowly moving towards modularized kernels. So what I said is about drivers and kernel subsystem, that are not yet available as modules. But modules are still WIP, and I think there are still a

Re: CVS commit: [cherry-xenmp] src/sys/arch

2011-08-30 Thread Jean-Yves Migeon
On 30.08.2011 14:53, Cherry G. Mathew wrote: Module Name: src Committed By: cherry Date: Tue Aug 30 12:53:46 UTC 2011 Modified Files: src/sys/arch/i386/i386 [cherry-xenmp]: machdep.c src/sys/arch/xen/x86 [cherry-xenmp]: cpu.c x86_xpmap.c Log Message: Add per-cpu

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Simon Burge
Martin Husemann wrote: Just curious: are there analog TV feeds out there, anywhere, still? Some parts of Australia until the end of next year... Cheers, Simon.

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Jared McNeill
I have ~70 analog channels coming in along with my digital cable service. Canada's digital OTA transition deadline is tomorrow but there are still a few markets where analog broadcasting will continue, my hometown being one of those places. Somewhere in storage I have a VCR with an RF output. I

Re: CVS commit: src/share/man/man4

2011-08-30 Thread Matt Thomas
On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Simon Burge wrote: Martin Husemann wrote: Just curious: are there analog TV feeds out there, anywhere, still? Some parts of Australia until the end of next year... Quite a few according to