Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!

2018-05-29 Thread Klaus Kaempf 
* Florian Panzer - ratiokontakt GmbH  [May 29. 2018 
14:25]:
> 
> I think we're basically already there, we'd just need 1 or 2 people taking
> proper care of the clients instead of hacking stuff together in a "works for
> me" kind of manner.
> Here, we have Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 running with every aspect of Spacewalk
> at the time of me writing this.
> 
> I mean, think of Spacewalk as it is now, just with proper working .deb
> Client packages for all active Debian and Ubuntu releases.

Florian,

the Uyuni community more than welcomes your effort. Please join us at
#uyuni on irc.freenode.net to help us making Debian and Ubuntu a fully
supported client.

Klaus
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Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!

2018-05-29 Thread Robert Paschedag 
Am 29. Mai 2018 14:23:37 MESZ schrieb Florian Panzer - ratiokontakt GmbH 
:
>Am 28.05.2018 um 16:30 schrieb Nikos Zaharioudakis:
>> Hi list
>> 
>> Taking the news on Twitter there was some interesting discussion as
>well
>> 
>> https://twitter.com/dmacvicar/status/1000652216523546624?s=19
>> 
>> Between Jan Wildeboer (community manager at RH ) and Duncan Mac-Vicar
>> 
>> The video presentation is interesting as well
>> 
>
>It would be awesome to have "proper Spacewalk support for
>Ubuntu/Debian".
>
>But is it really necessary to reinvent the wheel? (Set aside that SuSE 
>people, traditionally sitting on their hands, are probably not
>*mumble*)
>
>
>I think we're basically already there, we'd just need 1 or 2 people 
>taking proper care of the clients instead of hacking stuff together in
>a 
>"works for me" kind of manner.
>Here, we have Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 running with every aspect of 
>Spacewalk at the time of me writing this.
>
>I mean, think of Spacewalk as it is now, just with proper working .deb 
>Client packages for all active Debian and Ubuntu releases.
>
>Would 80% of the pepole really need MORE?
>
>Heck, maybe I'll even do the packages myself in the next days or have
>my 
>colleagues do it
>
>
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To import errata information for Ubuntu and Debian, see my or @phils repo at 
https://github.com/rpasche/spacewalk-scripts or 
https://github.com/philicious/spacewalk-scripts

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Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!

2018-05-29 Thread Serge Lorion 
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[mailto:spacewalk-devel-boun...@redhat.com] De la part de Neal Gompa
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going on?!

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:41 AM Andrei Popenta 
wrote:

> Proper support for debian/ubuntu would be awesome, indeed!

> and of course, an improved way of receiving errata information, other
than email lists :)


I can't fix the errata issue. Debian and Ubuntu don't offer something like
the rpm-md updateinfo data that specifically lays that out in a nice way to
import. But at least we have a way to process it. :)

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Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!

2018-05-29 Thread Neal Gompa 
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:41 AM Andrei Popenta 
wrote:

> Proper support for debian/ubuntu would be awesome, indeed!

> and of course, an improved way of receiving errata information, other
than email lists :)


I can't fix the errata issue. Debian and Ubuntu don't offer something like
the rpm-md updateinfo data that specifically lays that out in a nice way to
import. But at least we have a way to process it. :)

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Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!

2018-05-29 Thread Neal Gompa 
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:23 AM Florian Panzer - ratiokontakt GmbH <
f...@ratiokontakt.de> wrote:

> Am 28.05.2018 um 16:30 schrieb Nikos Zaharioudakis:
> > Hi list
> >
> > Taking the news on Twitter there was some interesting discussion as well
> >
> > https://twitter.com/dmacvicar/status/1000652216523546624?s=19
> >
> > Between Jan Wildeboer (community manager at RH ) and Duncan Mac-Vicar
> >
> > The video presentation is interesting as well
> >

> It would be awesome to have "proper Spacewalk support for Ubuntu/Debian".

> But is it really necessary to reinvent the wheel? (Set aside that SuSE
> people, traditionally sitting on their hands, are probably not *mumble*)


> I think we're basically already there, we'd just need 1 or 2 people
> taking proper care of the clients instead of hacking stuff together in a
> "works for me" kind of manner.
> Here, we have Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 running with every aspect of
> Spacewalk at the time of me writing this.

> I mean, think of Spacewalk as it is now, just with proper working .deb
> Client packages for all active Debian and Ubuntu releases.

> Would 80% of the pepole really need MORE?

> Heck, maybe I'll even do the packages myself in the next days or have my
> colleagues do it


It's something I'm working on now, since $DAYJOB is looking to use it to
manage Ubuntu workstations.

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Re: [Spacewalk-devel] [Spacewalk-list] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!

2018-05-28 Thread Neal Gompa 
Well, my hope was that SUSE would gradually take over the Spacewalk project
as Red Hat fades out of it and become more involved across all the
communities that leverage Spacewalk.

I might even be so lucky as to see @suse.de / @suse.com email addresses in
changelog entries for clients for Fedora/CentOS packages in Fedora and
EPEL. :)
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM Brian Long  wrote:

> Considering Spacewalk is the upstream for Red Hat Satellite 5.x and
Satellite 5 is end-of-life within a year, I'm not sure this move by SUSE is
a surprise.

> https://access.redhat.com/solutions/3128641

> I wonder how much longer Red Hat will provide engineering time focused on
Spacewalk 2.8+ when Satellite 6 is their future.  Spacewalk may become
solely a community-supported open-source project in the near future
depending on how much time Red Hat employees are allowed to continue
working on it.  I'm not looking forward to that day, to be honest, because
my team relies on Spacewalk heavily and if it falls into decay, we'll have
to look elsewhere.

> /Brian/

> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Nikos Zaharioudakis 
wrote:

>> Hi list

>> Taking the news on Twitter there was some interesting discussion as well

>> https://twitter.com/dmacvicar/status/1000652216523546624?s=19

>> Between Jan Wildeboer (community manager at RH ) and Duncan Mac-Vicar

>> The video presentation is interesting as well

>> Best,

>> Nikos

>> On May 28, 2018 17:19, "Luca Menegus"  wrote:

>> Hi Neal,
>>thank you for sharing this.


>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Neal Gompa" 
>> > To: spacewalk-l...@redhat.com, spacewalk-devel@redhat.com
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 2:36:35 PM
>> > Subject: [Spacewalk-devel] Spacewalk got forked?! WTF is going on?!
>> >
>> > Something is seriously wrong here.
>> >
>> > Today, I woke up to the news that SUSE forked Spacewalk[0] into
Uyuni[1]
>> > (which frankly, is a hard name to say...). The explicit reason they
gave
>> > for this was that despite requests to the community to step up to take
over
>> > the Spacewalk project, the current Spacewalk leadership refused SUSE's
>> > offer to lead the community.
>> >
>> > To me, something sounds fishy about this, because I've historically
known
>> > Red Hat folks to be very much community-first, so if Red Hat as a
company
>> > was no longer interested in Satellite 5/Spacewalk, transitioning it to
>> > someone else who was interested in it should have been easy. However,
the
>> > evidence they gave was pretty compelling[2]. At the same time, I have
no
>> > means of verifying whether or not what SUSE is saying is true.
>> >
>> > As a Spacewalk user, I'm incredibly disappointed that the leadership
>> > managed to successfully drive away an interested party. At my scale
(tens
>> > of servers), Spacewalk serves my needs perfectly.

>> We also relay on Spacewalk to manage our (CentOS) hosts.


>> >
>> > However, for those who think that Uyuni will be any better, my past
>> > experience with most SUSE teams has not been pleasant. They're usually
not
>> > the most responsive group with their open source projects (KIWI[3]
>> > excepted). It's not a good sign that the SUSE Manager project
development
>> > didn't already exist as an open branch to begin with.
>> >
>> > A splinter in the small development community around Spacewalk sucks,
and
>> > the cursory glance at Uyuni seems to indicate that things are pretty
broken
>> > for non-SUSE distributions.

>> That would be a serious problem for us. From your findings it appears
that we would need to choose between security fixes only or something where
RH derivatives distro like CentOS would probably be second class citizen.



>> >
>> > What is it going to take to heal this divide so that Uyuni goes away
and
>> > the SUSE folks are part of the Spacewalk community?
>> >
>> > Please, I beg of you guys, fix this, please!

>> Yes please!

>> At least some clear statement from Spacewalk maintainers and/or
developers would be much appreciated.

>> Regards,

>>Luca Menegus


>> >
>> > [0]:
>> >
https://news.opensuse.org/2018/05/26/uyuni-forking-spacewalk-with-salt-and-containers/
>> > [1]: https://www.uyuni-project.org
>> > [2]:
>> >
https://github.com/spacewalkproject/spacewalkproject.github.io/commit/24535d079f091c2f2a23a6ff6defafe9cf134577
>> > [3]: https://github.com/SUSE/kiwi
>> >
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