RE: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Laurie More importantly, I think I have a solution that will make both of us happy, but I now have to go and ride my motorbike fast, so I'll detail it later. Now there is an exit line to tempt the Gods. The only way that I can see that you are

Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Ben Laurie
On 1/22/07, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Laurie More importantly, I think I have a solution that will make both of us happy, but I now have to go and ride my motorbike fast, so I'll detail it later. Now there is an exit line

Re: Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Ben Laurie
On 1/22/07, Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 03:36:44PM +, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 28 lines which said: The only way that I can see that you are going to circumvent an attempt using existing browser capabilities is to

Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Ben Laurie
On 1/22/07, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ben Laurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The only way that I can see that you are going to circumvent an attempt using existing browser capabilities is to introduce a malicious login page is through use of some form of

Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor's Draft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Josh Hoyt
On 1/22/07, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/22/07, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, the idea is pretty simple. Rather like the OpenID Authentication Security Profiles you have a profile where the RP states what kind of End User/OP authentication is acceptable to it.

Re: 2.0 Spec Questions

2007-01-22 Thread Dick Hardt
On 21-Jan-07, at 4:48 PM, James McGovern wrote: Several questions after reading the 2.0 spec - draft 11. 1. The definition of realm if I am reading it correctly could be problematic in large enterprises. For example, if one were using a web access management product, they would have

Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread James A. Donald
Hallam-Baker, Phillip If you change the browser you might as well really change the browser and use a strong authentication mechanism based on PKI Ben Laurie I'm sure you meant to say based on asymmetric cryptography. Hallam-Baker, Phillip No, any time you have a trusted key

OpenID Auth 2.0 security considerations

2007-01-22 Thread Johannes Ernst
What about a non-normative link from the spec to a place on the wiki where we can collect security considerations for it, and update those in real-time as discussions such as the phishing one progress. ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net

Re: Special Request: Client Certificates vs. OpenID

2007-01-22 Thread Johannes Ernst
So I've been doing some asking around who might be interested in co- authoring some kind of white paper on the subject of user-centric identity in/for the enterprise. There are some volunteers with a variety of view points -- no guarantees that we'll manage to produce something

Re: Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 04:53:11PM +, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 21 lines which said: Why not? The man in the middle sees what you would see, surely? OK, sorry, I replied too fast. I was replying in the context of a phishing attempt by a rogue RP redirecting to a

Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor's Draft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Ben Laurie
On 1/22/07, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/22/07, Josh Hoyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/22/07, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/22/07, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, the idea is pretty simple. Rather like the OpenID Authentication Security Profiles you

CROSS POSTING :-(

2007-01-22 Thread Gabe Wachob
This is getting a little insane - many of us are subscribed to the four lists that this thread has been posted to. One person has suggested that we actually consolidate the separate lists given the overlap in membership and topics (at least the openid lists). The other option is to be more

RE: [OpenID] CROSS POSTING :-(

2007-01-22 Thread Recordon, David
I'd have to agree. I realize I am guilty for the start of this thread announcing the new spec draft, though am hoping we can move this discussion to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if that works for people. --David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

RE: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
SSL achieves the original security goals set for it. SSL does not achieve every security goal, that is not a failure. Certainly there are no grounds for the claim PKI has failed when it has succeeded in its original limited goals. I agree that the original goals were too narrow. That is an

Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Ka-Ping Yee
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: On the contrary, PKI is the basis of the security infrastructure that so far has provided the greatest defense against Internet crime - SSL. Judged by any rational set of standards SSL has been the most successful security protocol of all

Re: [security] [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor's Draft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Marcin JagodziƄski
2007/1/22, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Actually, it appears to allow the RP to tell the OP what kind of authentication was used, which is backwards. It also seems to be rather lacking in meat. Still, a step in the right direction. I asked this question some time ago: is there any

Re: [OpenID] OpenID and phishing (was Announcing OpenID Authentication2.0 - Implementor's Draft 11)

2007-01-22 Thread Simon Willison
On 19 Jan 2007, at 15:06, Scott Kveton wrote: What if the OP cataloged where you just came from and then presented the screen that you mention? The user is asked to navigate via a bookmark or entering the URL in the location bar and then upon logging in is presented with a link

OpenID and phishing (was Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor's Draft 11)

2007-01-22 Thread Simon Willison
On 19 Jan 2007, at 14:19, Ben Laurie wrote: Still totally unhappy about the phishing issues, which I blogged about here: http://www.links.org/?p=187 I have a proposal which I think could greatly reduce the risk of phishing: identity providers should /never/ display their login form