pre announce: Java and Perl libraries

2006-10-18 Thread Dick Hardt
Hey Lists We realized in a meeting today that we had talked to some people in the community, but had never made a formal statement. Sxip is writing and will be releasing Java and Perl libraries for OpenID 2.0 under an Apache license. You should see them shortly after the spec is finished,

Question: multiple IdPs?

2006-10-18 Thread Dick Hardt
I would like to use different IdPs for my vanity URL, blame.ca. In an OpenID 2.0 world, I can provide either of my IdP URLs to the RP and then select blame.ca and login. Does this work? What having two openid.server tags suffice? How would the RP know which delegate tag goes with which IdP?

RE: Question: multiple IdPs?

2006-10-18 Thread Drummond Reed
In the directed identity case, the IdP URL or XRI you give to the RP resolves to your IdP's XRDS document. Each of your IdPs would have a different one. If they support directed identity, each would have a Service with a Type tag value of http://openid.net/identifier_select/2.0. This service

RE: Consolidated Delegate Proposal

2006-10-18 Thread Drummond Reed
I don't think anything is missing from your previous posts, nor do I think you've missed anything from other's previous posts. I think we've discussed this issue thoroughly from all sides. As you say, It is a different way of thinking about what OpenID is doing. In other words, it's a worldview

HTTP response code

2006-10-18 Thread Johnny Bufu
I was reviewing draft 10 to make sure our implementation complies with all MUSTs, and I believe I've spotted an issue with the wording in sections 5.1.2.1 and 5.1.2.2, specifically: 5.1.2.1. Successful Responses A server receiving a properly formed request MUST send a response with an

Re: Question: multiple IdPs?

2006-10-18 Thread Josh Hoyt
On 10/18/06, Dick Hardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Drummond, but what if I am using HTML-based discovery? (that is what I am going to use in my vanity domain, much easier to implement) http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0-10.html#html_disco HTML discovery is in there solely

Re[2]: [dix] Re: Gathering requirements for in-browser OpenID support

2006-10-18 Thread Chris Drake
Hi Scott, All solutions for client-based MITM and phishing prevention can easily be built on top of OpenID 2.0 if we adopt the OpenIDHTTPAuth proposal. We can then leave these people to build their tools and protection howsoever they like, safe in the knowledge that when it's *done*, there will

Re: PROPOSAL: OpenID Form Clarification (A.4)

2006-10-18 Thread Dick Hardt
Why SHOULD rather then MUST? [1] What valid reason is there for an RP to not have that field name? [1] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt -- Dick On 18-Oct-06, at 1:28 PM, Recordon, David wrote: Agreed, just like the spec already says The form field's name attribute SHOULD have the value

Re: Question: multiple IdPs?

2006-10-18 Thread Dick Hardt
Forgive my lack of Yadis configuration expertise, but is this something that your average blogger can add to their WP or MT blog? -- Dick On 18-Oct-06, at 7:28 AM, Recordon, David wrote: At that point then I'd argue that the feature shouldn't be supported; Yadis was developed to handle use

RE: Question: multiple IdPs?

2006-10-18 Thread Recordon, David
Upload an XML file and add a meta-tag which points to it... Somehow I doubt that someone who can't do that will really be interested in the use case you described. In any case, it is surprising what people can do when following Internet tutorials. --David -Original Message- From: Dick

Re: PROPOSAL: OpenID Form Clarification (A.4)

2006-10-18 Thread Dick Hardt
Please see the RFC. SHOULD is used if there is a valid reason for it not being a MUST. If the RP does not have the tag, the a rich client will not work. Authentication cannot proceed. That is broken as far as the user is concerned. What if doing HTML disco was a SHOULD instead of a MUST?

Re: Question: multiple IdPs?

2006-10-18 Thread Dick Hardt
Agreed that it is a power user that wants multiple IdPs, but per Josh's email. someone can't use OpenID 2.0 unless they do this. I think that is a very common use case. Can the meta-tag point to an XML file on another site? (sorry for being lazy and not figuring it out myself) (multiple

RE: PROPOSAL: OpenID Form Clarification (A.4)

2006-10-18 Thread Recordon, David
The spec is an authentication spec which does not discuss rich clients anywhere. As I've said, and I'd think others would agree, it is not a requirement of the spec to enable rich clients. It is great to have them and great for it to enable them. Whether the spec says this is a MUST or not

RE: Question: multiple IdPs?

2006-10-18 Thread Recordon, David
Sorry, pointer to Josh's email? Yeah, the XML file can be based elsewhere. Might be worth a quick skim of the Yadis spec (http://yadis.org/papers/yadis-v1.0.pdf) Only three pages, section six, which talks about this. --David -Original Message- From: Dick Hardt [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: PROPOSAL: OpenID Form Clarification (A.4)

2006-10-18 Thread Dick Hardt
That is news to me that supporting Rich Clients is not a requirement. Rich client support was a discussion point back in July at the meeting in VeriSign, and there was consensus to support Rich Clients then Would you point me to the list of requirements so that we can all get on the same

Re: Question: multiple IdPs?

2006-10-18 Thread Dick Hardt
Thanks! On 18-Oct-06, at 9:38 PM, Recordon, David wrote: Sorry, pointer to Josh's email? Yeah, the XML file can be based elsewhere. Might be worth a quick skim of the Yadis spec (http://yadis.org/papers/yadis-v1.0.pdf) Only three pages, section six, which talks about this. --David

XRI confusion

2006-10-18 Thread Dick Hardt
Hey Drummond In reviewing: http://www.lifewiki.net/openid/ConsolidatedDelegationProposal ... Summary of Motivations 4. Enable RPs to take advantage of XRI CanonicalDs to protect End- Users from ever having their Portable Identifier reassigned (and thus their identity taken over).