Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-23 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald nor is PKI useful in solving phishing. PKI is a solution that has been tried and has failed. It has become an obstacle, as commercial interests actively block alternatives that do not involve a small number of centralized authorities with a special

Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-23 Thread James A. Donald
-- Ka-Ping Yee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In practice SSL is primarily used to establish an encrypted channel between endpoints, not to establish reliable reciprocal identification. Given that almost no users pay any attention to certificates, what reason do we have to believe that

RE: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Laurie More importantly, I think I have a solution that will make both of us happy, but I now have to go and ride my motorbike fast, so I'll detail it later. Now there is an exit line to tempt the Gods. The only way that I can see that you are

Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Ben Laurie
On 1/22/07, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Laurie More importantly, I think I have a solution that will make both of us happy, but I now have to go and ride my motorbike fast, so I'll detail it later. Now there is an exit line

Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Ben Laurie
On 1/22/07, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ben Laurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The only way that I can see that you are going to circumvent an attempt using existing browser capabilities is to introduce a malicious login page is through use of some form of

Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread James A. Donald
Hallam-Baker, Phillip If you change the browser you might as well really change the browser and use a strong authentication mechanism based on PKI Ben Laurie I'm sure you meant to say based on asymmetric cryptography. Hallam-Baker, Phillip No, any time you have a trusted key

RE: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
; heraldry-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11 On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: On the contrary, PKI is the basis of the security infrastructure that so far has provided the greatest defense against

Re: [OpenID] Announcing OpenID Authentication 2.0 - Implementor'sDraft 11

2007-01-22 Thread Ka-Ping Yee
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: On the contrary, PKI is the basis of the security infrastructure that so far has provided the greatest defense against Internet crime - SSL. Judged by any rational set of standards SSL has been the most successful security protocol of all