Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14

2008-03-11 Thread Noah Slater 
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:46:38AM -0700, Drummond Reed wrote:
> It doesn't mean it won't get "looked at" or discussed here. However any
> formal changes to the specifications must wait until these WGs are started.

Great.

> I'll bring it up at the next OpenID Foundation board meeting (this Thursday)
> so board members are aware of this issue.

Thank you, I really appreciate your efforts.

I will stick around on this list and wait for any potential updates.

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RE: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14

2008-03-10 Thread Drummond Reed 
Exactly, David, that's the process I was referring to.

It should be as lightweight as possible.

I guess the main question is, is there sufficient interest in either a
bugfix release or a more significant new release to start up a mailing list
on OpenID Authentication yet?

=Drummond 

> -Original Message-
> From: David Recordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:15 PM
> To: Drummond Reed; Brad Fitzpatrick
> Cc: Noah Slater; OpenID specs list; DeWitt Clinton
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14
> 
> I don't see why changes would really need to wait, if there is an
> interested group of people then lets spin up a mailing list and get
> participants to agree to the IP policy.
> 
> The entire goal of having "working groups" and seperate mailing lists
> is to help ensure that future OpenID specs are not encumbered with
> intellectual property issues.  The easiest, and most common, way to do
> this is creating seperate technical working mailing lists based around
> related topics or a specification.  This allows people to choose where
> they wish to participate since the requirement of posting to one of
> these lists is agreeing that your contributions are being made under
> the OpenID IPR Policy.
> 
> This list (specs@openid.net) is a great place to identity issues that
> need addressing and figuring out who wants to work on solving them.
> Once that happens, I have no problem helping to make it "legit" so
> that the resulting spec is good from an IP perspective.
> 
> --David
> 
> On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Drummond Reed wrote:
> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Noah Slater [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:43 AM
> >> To: Drummond Reed
> >> Cc: specs@openid.net
> >> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14
> >>
> >>> Noah, you are in the right place (and the General list is the wrong
> >>> place, which is why I have removed that cc).
> >>
> >> Okay, thank you.
> >>
> >>> Once those groups start, they will each have dedicated mailing
> >>> lists. In
> >>> the meantime, this is the list for discussing any spec issues. So
> >>> far
> >>> one OpenID Authentication 2.0 editor, Johnny Bufu, has commented on
> >>> the thread you started.
> >>
> >> Im a little confused about what this means. Does this mean that
> >> this issue
> >> will not get properly looked at until such time as the new WGs have
> >> been
> >> set up?
> >
> > It doesn't mean it won't get "looked at" or discussed here. However
> > any
> > formal changes to the specifications must wait until these WGs are
> > started.
> >
> >> Is there anywhere further to go from here?
> >
> > No, this is the right place, and until the WGs are started, any
> > discussion
> > should take place on this list.
> >
> > I'll bring it up at the next OpenID Foundation board meeting (this
> > Thursday)
> > so board members are aware of this issue.
> >
> > =Drummond
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Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14

2008-03-10 Thread David Recordon 
I don't see why changes would really need to wait, if there is an  
interested group of people then lets spin up a mailing list and get  
participants to agree to the IP policy.

The entire goal of having "working groups" and seperate mailing lists  
is to help ensure that future OpenID specs are not encumbered with  
intellectual property issues.  The easiest, and most common, way to do  
this is creating seperate technical working mailing lists based around  
related topics or a specification.  This allows people to choose where  
they wish to participate since the requirement of posting to one of  
these lists is agreeing that your contributions are being made under  
the OpenID IPR Policy.

This list (specs@openid.net) is a great place to identity issues that  
need addressing and figuring out who wants to work on solving them.   
Once that happens, I have no problem helping to make it "legit" so  
that the resulting spec is good from an IP perspective.

--David

On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Drummond Reed wrote:

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Noah Slater [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:43 AM
>> To: Drummond Reed
>> Cc: specs@openid.net
>> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14
>>
>>> Noah, you are in the right place (and the General list is the wrong
>>> place, which is why I have removed that cc).
>>
>> Okay, thank you.
>>
>>> Once those groups start, they will each have dedicated mailing  
>>> lists. In
>>> the meantime, this is the list for discussing any spec issues. So  
>>> far
>>> one OpenID Authentication 2.0 editor, Johnny Bufu, has commented on
>>> the thread you started.
>>
>> Im a little confused about what this means. Does this mean that  
>> this issue
>> will not get properly looked at until such time as the new WGs have  
>> been
>> set up?
>
> It doesn't mean it won't get "looked at" or discussed here. However  
> any
> formal changes to the specifications must wait until these WGs are  
> started.
>
>> Is there anywhere further to go from here?
>
> No, this is the right place, and until the WGs are started, any  
> discussion
> should take place on this list.
>
> I'll bring it up at the next OpenID Foundation board meeting (this  
> Thursday)
> so board members are aware of this issue.
>
> =Drummond
>
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RE: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14

2008-03-10 Thread Drummond Reed 
Brad,

 

You are correct, the OIDF is not a technical forum. Its responsibility is to
help facilitate the operation of the technical forum and the applicable IPR
policy. The issue I was pointing out was that since the new IPR policy was
adopted in December, which calls for explicit workgroups for each spec, no
place has it been published how those WGs can be formed and operated by
community members in accordance with the IPR policy.

 

So none of this is under the control of the OIDF, but it is their
responsibility to help community members make it happen. I just sent a note
the OIDF board mailing list suggesting this is something that needs
attention on the call this week.

 

=Drummond 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad
Fitzpatrick
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 11:01 AM
To: Drummond Reed
Cc: Noah Slater; specs@openid.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14

 

Drummond,

I was under the impression that the OpenID Foundation wasn't a technical
forum.  Is that not true?

- Brad

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Drummond Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: Noah Slater [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:43 AM
> To: Drummond Reed
> Cc: specs@openid.net
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14
>

> > Noah, you are in the right place (and the General list is the wrong
> > place, which is why I have removed that cc).
>
> Okay, thank you.
>
> > Once those groups start, they will each have dedicated mailing lists. In
> > the meantime, this is the list for discussing any spec issues. So far
> > one OpenID Authentication 2.0 editor, Johnny Bufu, has commented on
> > the thread you started.
>
> Im a little confused about what this means. Does this mean that this issue
> will not get properly looked at until such time as the new WGs have been
> set up?

It doesn't mean it won't get "looked at" or discussed here. However any
formal changes to the specifications must wait until these WGs are started.


> Is there anywhere further to go from here?

No, this is the right place, and until the WGs are started, any discussion
should take place on this list.

I'll bring it up at the next OpenID Foundation board meeting (this Thursday)
so board members are aware of this issue.

=Drummond


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Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14

2008-03-10 Thread Brad Fitzpatrick 
Drummond,

I was under the impression that the OpenID Foundation wasn't a technical
forum.  Is that not true?

- Brad

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Drummond Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: Noah Slater [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:43 AM
> > To: Drummond Reed
> > Cc: specs@openid.net
> > Subject: Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14
> >
> > > Noah, you are in the right place (and the General list is the wrong
> > > place, which is why I have removed that cc).
> >
> > Okay, thank you.
> >
> > > Once those groups start, they will each have dedicated mailing lists.
> In
> > > the meantime, this is the list for discussing any spec issues. So far
> > > one OpenID Authentication 2.0 editor, Johnny Bufu, has commented on
> > > the thread you started.
> >
> > Im a little confused about what this means. Does this mean that this
> issue
> > will not get properly looked at until such time as the new WGs have been
> > set up?
>
> It doesn't mean it won't get "looked at" or discussed here. However any
> formal changes to the specifications must wait until these WGs are
> started.
>
> > Is there anywhere further to go from here?
>
> No, this is the right place, and until the WGs are started, any discussion
> should take place on this list.
>
> I'll bring it up at the next OpenID Foundation board meeting (this
> Thursday)
> so board members are aware of this issue.
>
> =Drummond
>
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RE: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14

2008-03-10 Thread Drummond Reed 
> -Original Message-
> From: Noah Slater [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:43 AM
> To: Drummond Reed
> Cc: specs@openid.net
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14
> 
> > Noah, you are in the right place (and the General list is the wrong
> > place, which is why I have removed that cc).
> 
> Okay, thank you.
> 
> > Once those groups start, they will each have dedicated mailing lists. In
> > the meantime, this is the list for discussing any spec issues. So far
> > one OpenID Authentication 2.0 editor, Johnny Bufu, has commented on
> > the thread you started.
> 
> Im a little confused about what this means. Does this mean that this issue
> will not get properly looked at until such time as the new WGs have been
> set up?

It doesn't mean it won't get "looked at" or discussed here. However any
formal changes to the specifications must wait until these WGs are started.

> Is there anywhere further to go from here?

No, this is the right place, and until the WGs are started, any discussion
should take place on this list.

I'll bring it up at the next OpenID Foundation board meeting (this Thursday)
so board members are aware of this issue.

=Drummond 

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Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14

2008-03-10 Thread Noah Slater 
> Noah, you are in the right place (and the General list is the wrong place,
> which is why I have removed that cc).

Okay, thank you.

> Once those groups start, they will each have dedicated mailing lists. In the
> meantime, this is the list for discussing any spec issues. So far one OpenID
> Authentication 2.0 editor, Johnny Bufu, has commented on the thread you
> started.

Im a little confused about what this means. Does this mean that this issue will
not get properly looked at until such time as the new WGs have been set up?

Is there anywhere further to go from here?

Thanks,

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RE: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14

2008-03-09 Thread Drummond Reed 
Noah, you are in the right place (and the General list is the wrong place,
which is why I have removed that cc). A little background: OpenID IPR policy
& contribution agreements together with a set of OpenID 2.0 specs were
finalized last December. The new IPR policy calls for formal working groups
for new work. The OpenID Foundation's attention has since been on bringing
on 5 corporate board members (announced last month) and some other
governance and evangelism business. Discussion is just beginning now on
starting up the working groups.

Once those groups start, they will each have dedicated mailing lists. In the
meantime, this is the list for discussing any spec issues. So far one OpenID
Authentication 2.0 editor, Johnny Bufu, has commented on the thread you
started.

=Drummond 

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> Behalf Of Noah Slater
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:04 PM
> To: specs@openid.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14
> 
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 05:08:19PM +, Noah Slater wrote:
> > There are some issues with the OpenID specification and how it
> interoperates
> > with URI redirects according to RFC2616 and httpRange-14.
> 
> Will any members of the OpenID working group care to comment?
> 
> Does someone know how to directly bring this to the WG's attention?
> 
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Re: [OpenID] Problems with OpenID and TAG httpRange-14

2008-03-09 Thread Noah Slater 
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 05:08:19PM +, Noah Slater wrote:
> There are some issues with the OpenID specification and how it interoperates
> with URI redirects according to RFC2616 and httpRange-14.

Will any members of the OpenID working group care to comment?

Does someone know how to directly bring this to the WG's attention?

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