Re: Web Access Management
Deal with the IPR issue ... On 9-Apr-07, at 12:54 PM, McGovern, James F ((HTSC, IT)) wrote: > So, what will it take to move the mentioned vendors from simply > being "aware" to actively participating? > > -Original Message- > From: Dick Hardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:48 PM > To: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) > Cc: specs@openid.net > Subject: Re: Web Access Management > > > Tony Nadalin from IBM and Dale Olds from Novell are well aware of > what is happening in OpenID. > > The lack of a clear IPR policy is preventing Microsoft from directly > participating in the mailing lists. A number of us met at Microsoft > [1] and this was one of the issues that we are working to address. > > btw: I think this is a better topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED] rather > then specs ... > > [1] for the conspiracy minded, nothing happening behind closed doors, > the meeting was publicly announced and anyone was welcome to attend. > A number of us are kicking ourselves for not taking good notes that > we could post to the list. > > -- Dick > > > ** > *** > This communication, including attachments, is > for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, > confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the > intended > recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or > distribution is > strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > notify > the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and > destroy all copies. > ** > *** > > ___ > specs mailing list > specs@openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs > > ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
RE: Web Access Management
So, what will it take to move the mentioned vendors from simply being "aware" to actively participating? -Original Message- From: Dick Hardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:48 PM To: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) Cc: specs@openid.net Subject: Re: Web Access Management Tony Nadalin from IBM and Dale Olds from Novell are well aware of what is happening in OpenID. The lack of a clear IPR policy is preventing Microsoft from directly participating in the mailing lists. A number of us met at Microsoft [1] and this was one of the issues that we are working to address. btw: I think this is a better topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED] rather then specs ... [1] for the conspiracy minded, nothing happening behind closed doors, the meeting was publicly announced and anyone was welcome to attend. A number of us are kicking ourselves for not taking good notes that we could post to the list. -- Dick * This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. * ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
Re: Web Access Management
Tony Nadalin from IBM and Dale Olds from Novell are well aware of what is happening in OpenID. The lack of a clear IPR policy is preventing Microsoft from directly participating in the mailing lists. A number of us met at Microsoft [1] and this was one of the issues that we are working to address. btw: I think this is a better topic for [EMAIL PROTECTED] rather then specs ... [1] for the conspiracy minded, nothing happening behind closed doors, the meeting was publicly announced and anyone was welcome to attend. A number of us are kicking ourselves for not taking good notes that we could post to the list. -- Dick On 5-Apr-07, at 12:00 PM, McGovern, James F ((HTSC, IT)) wrote: > The RSA CTO is Bret Hartman, the Netegrity CTO is Vadim Lander. I > would also suggest inviting Marc Wilcox from Oracle. I don't know > the names of folks from Novell or IBM. Would be great if Dick > reached out to them. > > -Original Message- > From: Hans Granqvist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:05 PM > To: Dick Hardt > Cc: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT); specs@openid.net > Subject: Re: Web Access Management > > >> Ping demoed OpenID technology at RSA. >> >> I hear Novell and IBM are looking at supporting OpenID. >> >> Microsoft has said they will in future products. >> >> Oracle and CA are following OpenID. >> >> So, yes. :-) >> > > I'm curious why almost all of these companies are non-existent > on the mailing lists. Any insights? > > -Hans > > > > ** > *** > This communication, including attachments, is > for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, > confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the > intended > recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or > distribution is > strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > notify > the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and > destroy all copies. > ** > *** > > ___ > specs mailing list > specs@openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs > > ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
Re: Web Access Management
McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) wrote: > Are you saying that the large vendors aren't participating because OpenID > forces too many things to be open? > No, I'm saying that large vendors aren't participating because it's not clear exactly what the expectations are for openness. ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
RE: Web Access Management
Is that really true Mart? Isn't it at least as much the perception that OpenID isn't usable by organizations acting as RP's that cannot manage the risk associated with accepting an authentication assertion from OP "out there"? That is, the perception is that OpenID is good for Jyte and blog comments, but not for anything serious or of value (on the RP side)? This perception is reasonable from some points of view. And there's the Phishing concerns... I do think the IPR stuff is an issue (of course), but I don't think it's the main reason there isn't more interest from the big (RP-oriented) players yet. I think there's been little said to assuage the above concerns because many of the folks here aren't interested, as a matter of world-view, in the problems of large RP's who have business risks associated with unknown OP's. Those risks *can* be addressed and/or mitigated in a number of interesting ways, but we're still pretty early on in the development of OpenID as a deployed infrastructure now... -Gabe > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Martin Atkins > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:41 PM > To: specs@openid.net > Subject: Re: Web Access Management > > Hans Granqvist wrote: > >> Ping demoed OpenID technology at RSA. > >> > >> I hear Novell and IBM are looking at supporting OpenID. > >> > >> Microsoft has said they will in future products. > >> > >> Oracle and CA are following OpenID. > >> > >> So, yes. :-) > >> > > > > I'm curious why almost all of these companies are non-existent > > on the mailing lists. Any insights? > > > > It seems that at this time the uncertain policies for issues such as > patents and trademarks surrounding OpenID are putting off larger > companies from directly participating. > > This is a current hot-topic for the OpenID Foundation, since getting > such companies fully on board would likely be beneficial. > > > ___ > specs mailing list > specs@openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
Re: Web Access Management
Hans Granqvist wrote: >> Ping demoed OpenID technology at RSA. >> >> I hear Novell and IBM are looking at supporting OpenID. >> >> Microsoft has said they will in future products. >> >> Oracle and CA are following OpenID. >> >> So, yes. :-) >> > > I'm curious why almost all of these companies are non-existent > on the mailing lists. Any insights? > It seems that at this time the uncertain policies for issues such as patents and trademarks surrounding OpenID are putting off larger companies from directly participating. This is a current hot-topic for the OpenID Foundation, since getting such companies fully on board would likely be beneficial. ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
RE: Web Access Management
The RSA CTO is Bret Hartman, the Netegrity CTO is Vadim Lander. I would also suggest inviting Marc Wilcox from Oracle. I don't know the names of folks from Novell or IBM. Would be great if Dick reached out to them. -Original Message- From: Hans Granqvist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:05 PM To: Dick Hardt Cc: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT); specs@openid.net Subject: Re: Web Access Management > Ping demoed OpenID technology at RSA. > > I hear Novell and IBM are looking at supporting OpenID. > > Microsoft has said they will in future products. > > Oracle and CA are following OpenID. > > So, yes. :-) > I'm curious why almost all of these companies are non-existent on the mailing lists. Any insights? -Hans * This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. * ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
Re: Web Access Management
> Ping demoed OpenID technology at RSA. > > I hear Novell and IBM are looking at supporting OpenID. > > Microsoft has said they will in future products. > > Oracle and CA are following OpenID. > > So, yes. :-) > I'm curious why almost all of these companies are non-existent on the mailing lists. Any insights? -Hans ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
RE: Web Access Management
Based on your response, it feels kinda soft in terms of large vendor commitment. If we figure out how to get better collectively at marketing OpenID especially at end-customers and why they need it, then we can get some acceleration in terms of adoption. If you have specific names of folks at IBM then I would be game to rally many of my industry peers to put some pressure... -Original Message- From: Dick Hardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:21 PM To: McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) Cc: specs@openid.net Subject: Re: Web Access Management Ping demoed OpenID technology at RSA. I hear Novell and IBM are looking at supporting OpenID. Microsoft has said they will in future products. Oracle and CA are following OpenID. So, yes. :-) On 2-Apr-07, at 8:21 AM, McGovern, James F ((HTSC, IT)) wrote: Unlike blog sites and Internet startups, many large enteprises have purchased Web Access Management products such as Tivoli Access Manager, Netegrity Siteminder, etc where authentication doesn't occur by embedding code into the application. Is anyone directly working with any of the vendors in this space to promote OpenID? * This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. * ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
Re: Web Access Management
Ping demoed OpenID technology at RSA. I hear Novell and IBM are looking at supporting OpenID. Microsoft has said they will in future products. Oracle and CA are following OpenID. So, yes. :-) On 2-Apr-07, at 8:21 AM, McGovern, James F ((HTSC, IT)) wrote: Unlike blog sites and Internet startups, many large enteprises have purchased Web Access Management products such as Tivoli Access Manager, Netegrity Siteminder, etc where authentication doesn't occur by embedding code into the application. Is anyone directly working with any of the vendors in this space to promote OpenID? ** *** This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ** *** ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs ___ specs mailing list specs@openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs
