Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-13 Thread Dirk Balfanz
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Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-13 Thread Dirk Balfanz
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Allen Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirk Balfanz wrote: I don't think this is true - I believe the realm is sufficient. Let me try and explain. (We'll assume registered consumers.) On the approval page, we need to identify the consumer. In its current form

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-13 Thread Dirk Balfanz
from consumer key to (one) realm should suffice. Dirk. Sent from a mobile device. On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Dirk Balfanz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Allen Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Yariv, In the registered consumer case

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-13 Thread Dirk Balfanz
, Dirk Balfanz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Allen Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirk Balfanz wrote: I don't think this is true - I believe the realm is sufficient. Let me try and explain. (We'll assume registered consumers.) On the approval

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-16 Thread Dirk Balfanz
I don't want to put parameters into the protocol that aren't necessary. So far, I've heard one argument for adding the consumer key in the association request: to give a hint to the authorization UI as to whether or not the consumer is authorized to request the scope passed in the

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-17 Thread Dirk Balfanz
Yes, but as Breno said, the OAuth spec does not currently have a concept of scope, however, the Consumer Key is definitely part of the spec. It would seem to be more generally useful for a Consumer to signal Consumer Key, rather than signaling scope, as many SPs need to know the CK, but not

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-17 Thread Dirk Balfanz
needed to assert auth responses. So that's why SPs may need the CK in order to display the Approval page. Make sense? Allen Dirk Balfanz wrote: Need to know the CK for what? What purpose would hinting at the CK serve (since it wouldn't prove ownership)? And don't say scope

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-18 Thread Dirk Balfanz
Ok, new spec is up: http://step2.googlecode.com/svn/spec/openid_oauth_extension/drafts/0/openid_oauth_extension.html Dirk. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Dirk Balfanz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [+Brian Eaton] On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Allen Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-18 Thread Dirk Balfanz
is currently reading. Dirk. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Dirk Balfanz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, new spec is up: http://step2.googlecode.com/svn/spec/openid_oauth_extension/drafts/0/openid_oauth_extension.html Dirk. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Dirk Balfanz [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-18 Thread Dirk Balfanz
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Allen Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirk Balfanz wrote: Ok, new spec is up: http://step2.googlecode.com/svn/spec/openid_oauth_extension/drafts/0/openid_oauth_extension.html Hi Dirk, It doesn't look like the hybrid spec changes the OpenID association

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-18 Thread Dirk Balfanz
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Breno de Medeiros [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Dirk Balfanz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Allen Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dirk Balfanz wrote: Oh I see. Ok. I'l make a new revision

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-19 Thread Dirk Balfanz
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Breno de Medeiros [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Dirk Balfanz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Breno de Medeiros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Dirk Balfanz [EMAIL

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-19 Thread Dirk Balfanz
to just show an error page to the user explaining what happened. Dirk. Allen Dirk Balfanz wrote: I'd recommend an error consistent with Section 8.2.4 in the OpenID 2.0 spec, with a new error_code value indicating that the either the CK or the realm was invalid. There may actually

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-24 Thread Dirk Balfanz
be changed to are in the phrase The following security principles is reflected in this design Done. Thanks for spotting these! Dirk. Otherwise, the spec is looking pretty good! Allen Dirk Balfanz wrote: Ok, new version is up. I took out the sentence that recommended to send a cancel. I

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-24 Thread Dirk Balfanz
in the ProblemReporting extension. http://oauth.pbwiki.com/ProblemReporting Allen Dirk Balfanz wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Allen Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the new hybrid draft spec doesn't affect the OpenID association method, this is moot. However, the spec should

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-24 Thread Dirk Balfanz
The following security principles is reflected in this design Otherwise, the spec is looking pretty good! Allen Dirk Balfanz wrote: Ok, new version is up. I took out the sentence that recommended to send a cancel. I also added a section on discovery (just copied whatever the AX extension

Re: OpenID/OAuth hybrid - discovery

2008-11-24 Thread Dirk Balfanz
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Martin Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Dirk Balfanz wrote: I'm not sure I understand what the commotion is about :-) OAuth discovery (when it is done), will answer the question: given the URL of a resource, where do I go to get access tokens

Re: OpenID/OAuth hybrid - discovery

2008-11-25 Thread Dirk Balfanz
: Dirk Balfanz wrote: We're defining an OpenID extension. Consumer will want to know whether or not a given endpoint speaks that extension. That's all it's doing - just like AX or PAPE have a section on discoverability. It also gives consumers a way to look for the combined OpenID/OAuth endpoint

Re: OpenID/Oauth hybrid [was Re: specs Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3]

2008-11-26 Thread Dirk Balfanz
is getting pretty close. Thanks again, Allen - this is really helpful! Dirk. thanks Allen Dirk Balfanz wrote: Otherwise, the spec is looking pretty good! Great! We're officially calling it Draft 1 now :-) (the previous version was Draft 0

Re: OpenID/OAuth hybrid - without app pre-registration

2008-11-28 Thread Dirk Balfanz
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Manger, James H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latest OpenID/OAuth hybrid draft REQUIRES the openid.oauth.consumer parameter, which means an app must be pre-registered with a service before it can use the protocol. Well, technically speaking, it requires the

Re: OpenID/OAuth hybrid - without app pre-registration

2009-01-07 Thread Dirk Balfanz
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Manger, James H james.h.man...@team.telstra.com wrote: here is a non-security reason [for openid.oauth.consumer in the response]: Imagine the Consumer controlling more than one consumer key, and also imagine that the consumer is implemented as a server

Re: Defining how OpenID should behave with fragments in the return_to url

2009-03-24 Thread Dirk Balfanz
Wait - isn't Luke saying that Yahoo! is currently supporting this just fine? What are you fixing? Dirk. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Allen Tom a...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Hi Luke, I have to confess that I was not aware of technique of passing parameters after the fragment to take

Re: Defining how OpenID should behave with fragments in the return_to url

2009-03-27 Thread Dirk Balfanz
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Luke Shepard lshep...@facebook.com wrote: This thread has been really useful – thanks for the responses everyone. I have a few inline responses to a few different emails, bear with me while I try to unify the thread. From Breno: The very legitimate

Re: Should we recommend that return_to url is always HTTPS? What about realm?

2009-05-13 Thread Dirk Balfanz
I don't see why a realm shouldn't be able to delegate to a return_to URL the same way that a user id can delegate to an OP endpoint. This includes delegating from http to https, or even to a different domain altogether. Over on the XRI TC we've been talking about how to do this securely, e.g., by

experimental namespace for openid.net

2009-07-09 Thread Dirk Balfanz
Hi guys, Google would like to launch a feature in which we're allowing our Google Apps hosted domains to become OpenID providers. The authentication part of it is pretty simple - Google is already logging in users to their apps, so we can also host an OP endpoint for those domains and send

Re: experimental namespace for openid.net

2009-07-10 Thread Dirk Balfanz
[+gene...@openid.net for a broader audience] On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Dirk Balfanz balf...@google.com wrote: Hi guys, Google would like to launch a feature in which we're allowing our Google Apps hosted domains to become OpenID providers. The authentication part of it is pretty simple

Re: [OpenID] experimental namespace for openid.net

2009-07-13 Thread Dirk Balfanz
are doing as having a registry for experimental URIs would be good as well. Thanks, George Dirk Balfanz wrote: [+gene...@openid.net mailto:gene...@openid.net for a broader audience] On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Dirk Balfanz balf...@google.com mailto:balf...@google.com wrote