Re: [Spice-devel] Spice for commercial use

2013-03-07 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 01:10 -0800, spice-devel-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 06:24:34 -0800 > From: Tom Holmes > To: > Subject: [Spice-devel] Spice for commercial use > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello! > Can Spice be used

Re: [Spice-devel] [PATCH spice-server 00/28] adaptive video streaming

2013-02-27 Thread John A. Sullivan III
> > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:08:41 -0500 (EST) > From: Marc-Andr? Lureau > To: Yonit Halperin > Cc: spice-de...@freedesktop.org > Subject: Re: [Spice-devel] [PATCH spice-server 00/28] adaptivevideo > streaming > Message-ID: > <1561809047.9765259.1361977721766.javamail.r...@

Re: [Spice-devel] [Users] multiple concurrent spice consoles (was Ovirt + Spice + VDI)

2012-09-14 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 16:55 +0300, Itamar Heim wrote: > On 09/14/2012 03:28 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > ... > > >>> > > Moreover, all instances in memory only take the space of > >>> > >one instance. Thus, we get deduplication and KSM almost

Re: [Spice-devel] [Users] multiple concurrent spice consoles (was Ovirt + Spice + VDI)

2012-09-14 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 11:49 +0200, David Jaša wrote: > John A. Sullivan III píše v Čt 13. 09. 2012 v 12:36 -0400: > > On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 20:16 +0430, Mohsen Saeedi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > John A. Sullivan III wrote on Thu, 13 > > >

Re: [Spice-devel] [Users] multiple concurrent spice consoles (was Ovirt + Spice + VDI)

2012-09-13 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 20:16 +0430, Mohsen Saeedi wrote: > > > > John A. Sullivan III wrote on Thu, 13 > Sep 2012 08:38:11 -0400: > > On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 08:06 -0400, Alon Levy wrote: > > > > Hi Mohsen, > > > > > > > > multiple s

Re: [Spice-devel] [Users] multiple concurrent spice consoles (was Ovirt + Spice + VDI)

2012-09-13 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 08:06 -0400, Alon Levy wrote: > > Hi Mohsen, > > > > multiple sessions to the single VM are not on the roadmap. There is > > experimental multi-client support but it is to make more users see > > the > > same session. > > Moshen, > > I misunderstood. In this case, I guess

Re: [Spice-devel] Performance of Xspice - some results, and a potential patch

2012-08-07 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 08:08 -0500, Jeremy White wrote: > > I don't know what were the network conditions you tested, but it would be > > great if you could repeat your test with lower bandwidth (you can use tc), > > and also, you can try disabling off-screen surfaces in the driver. > > I do have

Re: [Spice-devel] Any Volunteers to rewrite spice by Object-C

2012-08-07 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 10:23 +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote: > On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 12:19:00AM +0200, David Jaša wrote: > > Hi, > > > > out of curiosity - what purpose would such rewrite serve? If is is Mac > > OS X port, > > This would likely be useful to run on iOS. Are there any problems w

Re: [Spice-devel] Performance of Xspice - some results, and a potential patch

2012-08-06 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 15:52 -0500, Jeremy White wrote: > > > > I'm very encouraged to hear this as we are very, very interested in > > SPICE as a WAN protocol. We have noticed that the end user experience > > is almost as dependent upon latency as bandwidth so I was a little > > concerned that yo

Re: [Spice-devel] Performance of Xspice - some results, and a potential patch

2012-08-06 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 15:12 -0500, Jeremy White wrote: > For a test involving 5 minutes of light use of LibreOffice, the results > are as follows: > >Packets Bytes > Xspice148,428 19,647,168 > Tight VNC 19,980 4,724,880 > SSH -X

Re: [Spice-devel] xf86-video-qxl performance

2012-05-28 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2012-05-28 at 12:59 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:29:23AM +0200, Attila Sukosd wrote: > > Low latency (and relatively low bandwidth) video streaming can be done with > > x264 and xvid (low enough for a 3d game to be playable over the net) > > However, it introduces li

Re: [Spice-devel] xf86-video-qxl performance

2012-05-28 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2012-05-28 at 12:59 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:29:23AM +0200, Attila Sukosd wrote: > > Low latency (and relatively low bandwidth) video streaming can be done with > > x264 and xvid (low enough for a 3d game to be playable over the net) > > However, it introduces li

Re: [Spice-devel] xf86-video-qxl performance

2012-05-24 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2012-05-24 at 20:38 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: > What OS your client has? When spice-server identifies WAN, it > automatically turn on Nagle's for the display channel (turns off > TCP_NODELAY), which should aggregate small tcp messages. However, it has > bad interaction with the delaye

Re: [Spice-devel] xf86-video-qxl performance

2012-05-24 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2012-05-24 at 07:28 -0400, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > - Original Message - > > I need to improve the performance of the xf86-video-qxl driver; aka > > xspice; by a fairly substantial margin. > > What performance characteristic would you like to improve? > 1. Performance over WAN (high lat

Re: [Spice-devel] Delay in Gimp when using qxl driver

2012-01-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 10:44 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 08:06:40AM +0100, Dominique Rodrigues wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Since I use qxl driver in virtual desktop powered by qemu-kvm, I > > found a strange problem with Gimp. > > > > After launching Gimp, open a new windows, and

Re: [Spice-devel] access local files and folder from remote VM

2011-12-31 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 10:57 +0800, Charles.Tsai-蔡清海-工程部 wrote: > Hi John, > > Thank you for information. I searched the information of sshfs. In Microsoft > windows, I found an open source for it and it is basically a user mode file > system. > As for the X2GO, it is basically a remote desktop c

Re: [Spice-devel] access local files and folder from remote VM

2011-12-26 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-12-26 at 14:28 +0800, Charles.Tsai-蔡清海-工程部 wrote: > All, > > > > I am wondering if SPICE allows a remote VM to access local files or > folder as RDP does. In RDP, the local files or folder can be accessed > by the remote desktop if it is configured. > > But I do not find such a f

Re: [Spice-devel] Performance over VPN

2011-12-21 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 17:28 +0100, Frédéric Grelot wrote: > > This sounds like you have mouse in server mode. Install spice-vdagent > > in > > the guest, make sure it is running and pleaser report back if it > > solved > > things for you > > You can also (in addition to that) force image compressi

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.1 & spice-protocol 0.9.0

2011-09-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 13:49 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 01:30:41PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 11:52 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 09:59:14AM +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote: > > > > Hi, &

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.1 & spice-protocol 0.9.0

2011-09-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 11:52 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 09:59:14AM +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 03:44:58PM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > > > * Multi-client support, disabled by default (experimental!) set the > > > environment var

Re: [Spice-devel] Spice Windows 7 display driver?

2011-08-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 15:56 -0400, Nathan Lager wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've been running in circles attempting to install a Display driver in > Windows 7 x64 for use with Spice. > > My host is CentOS6 x64, My guest is Windows 7 x64. Spice is enabled, as > i

Re: [Spice-devel] Error compiling Spice

2011-07-27 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 11:20 +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:09:01AM +0200, Andrea Celestino wrote: > > I have downloaded from git the spice code, the spice protocol and pixman. I > > have installed pixman first then the protocol and finally the spice server >

Re: [Spice-devel] Missing key and mouse release events

2011-07-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 11:00 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 03:47:30AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Hello, all. This is happening enough now that I don't think it is my > > imagination. It seems that SPICE sometimes either does not detect that &

Re: [Spice-devel] Missing key and mouse release events

2011-07-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-07-25 at 13:21 +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote: > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 01:34:02PM +0200, Frédéric Grelot wrote: > > I didn't fill a bug at that time, but you'll find every details here : > > (The last message has an attachment with the corresponding wireswhark dump) > > > > http:/

Re: [Spice-devel] Traces of performance issues

2011-07-24 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 08:33 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: > On 07/22/2011 02:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > As mentioned in my last email, I have taken several traces revealing > > performance issues, BSOD, and lost mouse scroll events. > > > > Performance stil

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.0

2011-07-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 02:34 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 06:16:35PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 23:41 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > > > > > I don't think there is *that* much difference between 0.8 and > > >

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.0

2011-07-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 23:41 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > > > I don't think there is *that* much difference between 0.8 and 0.9 - > if you > > > want to see the improvement Christophe did to the mjpeg encoding, sure, > > > but > > > don't expect it to fix the 1:5 ratio you noticed. I haven't tried to

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.0

2011-07-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 21:02 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 01:21:18PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 20:14 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:43:05PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > On

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.0

2011-07-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 20:14 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:43:05PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 19:13 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I'm happy to announce the first 0.9.x spice deve

Re: [Spice-devel] Announcing spice 0.9.0

2011-07-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 19:13 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm happy to announce the first 0.9.x spice development > release 0.9.0. This release is in preparation to a 0.10.0 > release in sync with Fedora 16 freeze schedule (ish). Not > much new, but a lot of code churn. > > Major changes

[Spice-devel] Missing key and mouse release events

2011-07-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. This is happening enough now that I don't think it is my imagination. It seems that SPICE sometimes either does not detect that I have released a key or is slow in doing so. On quite a number of occasions, my input started behaving strangely. Menu options would not work, it appeared

[Spice-devel] Traces of performance issues

2011-07-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
As mentioned in my last email, I have taken several traces revealing performance issues, BSOD, and lost mouse scroll events. Performance still seems to be a function of bandwidth. We are being detected as low bandwidth: main_channel_handle_parsed: net test: latency 52.512000 ms, bitrate 4826250 b

[Spice-devel] Traces of BSOD, lost mouse scroll events, performance issues

2011-07-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. Thanks to Yaniv, I have nice new .deb packages for Wireshark 1.6.1 including the SPICE dissector. These were a pain to create because of some errors in the Wireshark tarball so, if anyone would like them or the source, please let me know (sorry RPMers!). In any event, I was able to c

Re: [Spice-devel] Thoughts about improving streaming video

2011-07-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 11:38 +0200, Andrea Celestino wrote: > Talking about improving streaming video in spice, I am working on a > thesis project about Spice, in particular how it handles streaming > video, only in Linux. > > > In particular I would like to know if there are possibilities to > i

Re: [Spice-devel] 0.10.x status / plans for spice for Fedora 16

2011-07-21 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 12:50 +0300, Alon Levy wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36:39AM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > *bump* > > > > I think it is still not sure what the plan is. AFAIK we're almost > > done with getting a 0.8.2 which has the async + s3 patches in out the door

Re: [Spice-devel] Our current open issues

2011-07-20 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 22:31 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > Hello, all. I know I've raised a large number of issues over the last > few weeks most of which are still open. I'd like to summarize them here > and ask for your direction on how we can further troubleshoot and

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-20 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 22:05 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 21:07 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > > On 07/04/2011 07:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: > > >> On 07/04/2011 05:21

Re: [Spice-devel] Spice QXL Driver does not work for Windows 7

2011-07-20 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 12:04 +0200, Mario wrote: > > I was finally able to get them to work. Here is what I did under > > both > > W7 and W2K8: > > Download and install the WinQual toolkit: > > > > https://winqual.microsoft.com/member/SubmissionWizard/controls/WinqualSubmissionTool.msi > > This i

Re: [Spice-devel] Our current open issues

2011-07-20 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 10:13 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > On 07/20/2011 05:31 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Hello, all. I know I've raised a large number of issues over the last > > few weeks most of which are still open. I'd like to summarize them here > > an

[Spice-devel] Our current open issues

2011-07-19 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. I know I've raised a large number of issues over the last few weeks most of which are still open. I'd like to summarize them here and ask for your direction on how we can further troubleshoot and resolve them, in other words, how can we as integrators rather than programmers help. Th

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-19 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 21:07 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > On 07/04/2011 07:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: > >> On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > >>> Very helpful and interesting

Re: [Spice-devel] Spice QXL Driver does not work for Windows 7

2011-07-19 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 12:48 +0200, Mario wrote: > Alon, > > first of all thanks a lot for your quick reply. Theoretical my Windows > Instance should also load unsigned drivers as I enabled the Test Mode of > Windows 7. > > However to make it a bit more clear please let me describe step by step

Re: [Spice-devel] SPICE Fedora 15 guest X running at 100%

2011-07-13 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:57 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 04:29:50PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:39 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 04:08:43PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > Sin

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-11 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 21:07 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > On 07/04/2011 07:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: > >> On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > >>> Very helpful and interesting

Re: [Spice-devel] Problems compiling SPICE Windows client SDK 7.1

2011-07-11 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 07:43 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 13:23 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: > > John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > > > We've made considerable progress. We do not have VS2008 as we are not a > > > Windows shop

Re: [Spice-devel] RFC: Render support in the protocol

2011-07-06 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:38 +0200, Soeren Sandmann wrote: > RENDER is a very commonly used X extension that currently is not > supported very well in SPICE. This leads to the QXL X driver having to > read back pixels from the device, render in software, then transmit an > image. This is currently t

Re: [Spice-devel] Problems compiling SPICE Windows client SDK 7.1

2011-07-06 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 13:23 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: > John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > We've made considerable progress. We do not have VS2008 as we are not a > > Windows shop and I assume in my Windows ignorance that that's a paid > > licensed product

Re: [Spice-devel] Problems compiling SPICE Windows client SDK 7.1

2011-07-05 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 09:35 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: > Hi John, > See my comments below. > Arnon > > John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Hello, all. Being a Windows ignoramus, I am having a nightmare of a > > time compiling the Windows client on our Windows 7 build sys

Re: [Spice-devel] Possible Windows vdagent problems

2011-07-05 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 12:31 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: > John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 09:44 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: > > > >> Hi John, > >> See my comments below. > >> Arnon > >> > >> John A. Sullivan III

Re: [Spice-devel] Possible Windows vdagent problems

2011-07-05 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 09:44 +0300, Arnon Gilboa wrote: > Hi John, > See my comments below. > Arnon > > John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Hello, all. I'm spinning this off of the "Unfair Comparisons with RDP" > > thread as that one is getting a bit long.

[Spice-devel] Possible Windows vdagent problems

2011-07-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. I'm spinning this off of the "Unfair Comparisons with RDP" thread as that one is getting a bit long. However, in it, Yaniv identified that we were not using vdagent in our Windows guest based upon the packet traces we submitted. That sounded plausible as we have noticed the agent bei

[Spice-devel] Problems compiling SPICE Windows client SDK 7.1

2011-07-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. Being a Windows ignoramus, I am having a nightmare of a time compiling the Windows client on our Windows 7 build system. I'll recount them for other ignorami and to ask for help for the things I could not figure out. I installed the Windows SDK 7.1 and it installed without compilers

[Spice-devel] spicec or spice-gtk

2011-07-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Which client should one use? I'm a little confused reading the documentation version looking at the download page. http://spice-space.org/page/DeveloperStartPage says, "client - this is the old spice client. It is still supported but is being phased out in favor of a new widgetized gtk/glib based

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 17:48 +0300, Yonit Halperin wrote: > On 07/04/2011 05:21 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Very helpful and interesting. I'll respond in-line - John > > > > On Sun, 2011-07-03 at 10:38 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > >> On 06/30/2011 10:10 A

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Very helpful and interesting. I'll respond in-line - John On Sun, 2011-07-03 at 10:38 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > On 06/30/2011 10:10 AM, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > > On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > >> On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -040

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 21:52 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 02:34:15PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > > > > On Fri,

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > Interesting observation. That is true; we did not create separate VM > > > defin

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 09:30 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Alon Levy" > > To: "John A. Sullivan III" > > Cc: spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org > > Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 1:43:44 PM > > Subje

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 13:43 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 07:24:59AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 12:27 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 05:45:34AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > On

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 12:27 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 05:45:34AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:56 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:40:41PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > On

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-02 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 04:56 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 09:40:41PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > > > > On Fri,

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 17:05 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 03:00:32PM +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > Interesting observation. That is true; we did not create separate VM > > > defin

Re: [Spice-devel] SPICE Fedora 15 guest X running at 100%

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:39 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 04:08:43PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Since we were having some trouble as just outlined on our Windows tests, > > we thought we would let SPICE put its best foot forward and try a Fedora >

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 15:00 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Interesting observation. That is true; we did not create separate VM > > definitions for SPICE and TSPlus thus the TSPlus environment is using > > the

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:48 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > If I'm correct, you still have some "piece of spice" in your enhanced > RDP environment too. > Can you confirm that in your guest definition you maintain > > > > function='0x0'/> > > > even when you test via TSPLUS? >

Re: [Spice-devel] [OT] Info on netkvm usability for win7 guest on rh el 6.1

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 11:57 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > Hello, > I'm going to open an official information ticket with RH, but > eventually I can get information here too, at least for common usage. > I have rh el 6.1 hypervisor. > > In "KVM Guest VM compatibility" section, the > Red_Hat_Enter

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 11:37 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:42:55PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 20:21 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:01:48PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > On

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 11:32 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:24 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > We are a managed service provider so we are prohibited from offering > > Windows 7. We are only allowed to license Windows Server 2008 under > > SPL

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-07-01 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 10:05 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:42 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Sorry - the VM is Windows Server 2008, client is Debian Squeeze, host is > > Fedora 15 - John > > Actually you already wrote details about the

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-30 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 20:21 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 02:01:48PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 10:10 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > > > On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2011-06-29

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-30 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 10:10 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > On 06/30/2011 05:33 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400, Andrew Cathrow wrote: > >> > >> - Original Message - > >>> > >>> Hello, all. I

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-29 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 20:22 -0400, Andrew Cathrow wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > > > Hello, all. I've been using both RDP via TSPlus and SPICE for over a > > week now and the practical world results at least in my mode of > > operation are becoming clear. SPICE does handle major s

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-29 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 11:40 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 15:34 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 09:36:26PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > Hello, all. Another question to be answered only if there is time. As > >

Re: [Spice-devel] Thoughts about improving streaming video

2011-06-28 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 09:30 +0200, David Jaša wrote: > Dne 28.6.2011 00:39, John A. Sullivan III napsal(a): > > On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 00:14 +0200, David Jaša wrote: > >> Dne 27.6.2011 20:45, John A. Sullivan III napsal(a): > >>> On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 08:32 +0300, Yani

[Spice-devel] Is Nagle disabled?

2011-06-27 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. I put on my network engineer hat today and started doing packet traces of SPICE to see what we could do from a systems perspective to reduce the perceived latency. SPICE does not appear to be fragmenting - in fact the do not fragment bit is set so I assume we are doing MTU discovery s

Re: [Spice-devel] Thoughts about improving streaming video

2011-06-27 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 00:14 +0200, David Jaša wrote: > Dne 27.6.2011 20:45, John A. Sullivan III napsal(a): > > On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 08:32 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > >> Licensing and patent concerns of x264 aside (see > >> http://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/x264-

Re: [Spice-devel] Thoughts about improving streaming video

2011-06-27 Thread John A. Sullivan III
th are not trivial tasks, I'm afraid. > Y. > > > On 06/25/2011 06:33 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Hello, all. Andrea Celestino was kind enough to email me off list about > > streaming video performance as reducing SPICE bandwidth consumption for > > strea

Re: [Spice-devel] Current status of XSpice driver

2011-06-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 20:38 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 06:01:27PM +0200, Sebastian Hesselbarth wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'd like to ask about the current and future status of the XSpice driver for > > Xorg. I am very interested in virtualizing desktops for a bunch of users >

Re: [Spice-devel] Current status of XSpice driver

2011-06-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 20:38 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 06:01:27PM +0200, Sebastian Hesselbarth wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'd like to ask about the current and future status of the XSpice driver for > > Xorg. I am very interested in virtualizing desktops for a bunch of users >

Re: [Spice-devel] Current status of XSpice driver

2011-06-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 18:01 +0200, Sebastian Hesselbarth wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to ask about the current and future status of the XSpice driver for > Xorg. I am very interested in virtualizing desktops for a bunch of users > without > the need of a full-blown virtual machine. I once compiled t

Re: [Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 15:34 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 09:36:26PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Hello, all. Another question to be answered only if there is time. As > > we put SPICE head to head with the TSPlus implementation of RDP, SPICE > &g

[Spice-devel] Thoughts about improving streaming video

2011-06-25 Thread John A. Sullivan III
ce detects video streaming, how it sends stream > data to client with socket and how it compress data with mjpeg. > I have not any idea at the moment, I need to do some tests. > I am very interested. > Do you have an idea? > > > Thanks. > > > p.s. sorry for my eng

[Spice-devel] Unfair comparisons with RDP

2011-06-24 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. Another question to be answered only if there is time. As we put SPICE head to head with the TSPlus implementation of RDP, SPICE seems to be coming up a bit short and I expect it is somewhat unfairly so. It appears that RDP starts painting the screen sooner that SPICE does and so it a

Re: [Spice-devel] Streaming video performance concepts

2011-06-23 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 10:50 +0300, Yaniv Kaul wrote: > We could throw many more into the thread. > When comparing video encodings, we must take into account: > - speed of encoding (many of the encoders are not fast enough for real > time, they may decode fast, but we need fast encoding too) > - qu

Re: [Spice-devel] Streaming video performance concepts

2011-06-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 23:49 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:44:40PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:01 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:56:28AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > On

Re: [Spice-devel] Streaming video performance concepts

2011-06-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:01 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:56:28AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 11:27 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > > > Thank you very much for the explanation. It's pretty much what I > >

Re: [Spice-devel] Streaming video performance concepts

2011-06-22 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 11:27 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > > Thank you very much for the explanation. It's pretty much what I > > expected - that the codec is different, trading CPU efficiency for > > bandwidth inefficiency and I certainly understand the reasons why. > > > > Is there any thought or pl

Re: [Spice-devel] Streaming video performance concepts

2011-06-21 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 01:46 +0200, Alon Levy wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 07:33:58PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > Hello, all. This isn't a critical question so please do not take lots > > of time to answer it unless it would be a helpful general discussion. >

[Spice-devel] Streaming video performance concepts

2011-06-21 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. This isn't a critical question so please do not take lots of time to answer it unless it would be a helpful general discussion. We are still trying to properly set our expectations about video streaming using SPICE on low bandwidth networks. Indeed, this is our principle interest in S

Re: [Spice-devel] nographic option

2011-06-20 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 15:06 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "John A. Sullivan III" > > To: spice-de...@freedesktop.org > > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:14:19 PM > > Subject: [Spice-devel] nographic option >

Re: [Spice-devel] Video buffering

2011-06-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 17:48 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: > Hi John, > > Could you please specify more your setup? Maybe It would be useful to know > more about your setup so that we have better idea and can reproduce easier. > The best is to know in what setup you observe particular problems.

[Spice-devel] nographic option

2011-06-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. I was a little surprised to see in http://spice-space.org/page/Running that qemu is invoked with the -nographic option. Later documents do not have that in their examples. Is there any advantage to invoking it? Thanks - John ___ Spice-devel

[Spice-devel] SPICE and libjpeg-turbo

2011-06-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
As I think about tweaking video performance, I wonder if libjpeg-turbo would help at all. We installed on a Fedora 15 KVM host from RPM. Are those compiled against libjpeg or libjpeg-turbo? I'd imagine to take advantage of libjpeg-turbo, we'd need it on both sides of the connection. I'm testing

Re: [Spice-devel] Video buffering

2011-06-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
posed, it starts sputtering again. Thanks - John > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 8:17 PM, John A. Sullivan III > wrote: > > Hello, all. We spent some time testing audio and video performance with > > SPICE today with mixed results. Talking heads and some movement were > >

[Spice-devel] Video buffering

2011-06-18 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. We spent some time testing audio and video performance with SPICE today with mixed results. Talking heads and some movement were reasonably acceptable. However we tried some music and ballet videos to get lots of movement and the results were unusable - Rite of Spring was more like F

Re: [Spice-devel] Spice-devel Digest, Vol 17, Issue 28

2011-06-17 Thread John A. Sullivan III
han "Re: Contents of Spice-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Installation on ubuntu 11.04 (i386) fails > (John A. Sullivan III) > > > -----

Re: [Spice-devel] synchronous io considered harmful

2011-06-17 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:34 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > On 06/16/11 21:21, Alon Levy wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just had a short conversation with Marc-Andre about a bug in > > spice/qxl and it turns out there are a couple of possible solutions > > and I require some more input. > > > > The problem

Re: [Spice-devel] Installation on ubuntu 11.04 (i386) fails

2011-06-17 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 00:46 +0800, 王永博 wrote: > why dose the spice only support 64-bit system ? I can't use spice in > ubuntu 11.04 (i386). > http://www.spice-space.org/faq.html May we trouble you to change the subject and trim out all the unnecessary text when you reply to a mailing list digest

[Spice-devel] Meaning of compression settings in qemu

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
Hello, all. I did take Marian's advice and peruse the qemu man page but, after lots and lots of Internet searching and document reading, I'm not quite clear on exactly what the compression settings mean in qemu. This is important to us as we need to optimize for an entirely WAN based environment.

Re: [Spice-devel] SPICE Fedora 15 guest X running at 100%

2011-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 23:00 +0100, --[ UxBoD ]-- wrote: > - Original Message - > > On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 11:26 -0400, Marian Krcmarik wrote: > > > > > > - Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John A. Sullivan III"

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