Re: [Spits] Engine rebuild: What to ask and say to the machine shop? -and Happy 4th!

2007-07-10 Thread Gene Eighmy
Nick,

I went with the Fast Road Profile Cam from Nigel at SpitBits.  It is pretty
close to the one recommended in John Davies' article called Skimming Your
Head for a Higher Compression Ratio.  That makes a huge difference and puts
all that extra compression to work.  With the old cam, I could barely make
it to redline.  With the Fast road cam it pulls all the way past redline and
then some...

I also added the oil cooler from Spitbits.  If you're going to add it, skip
the rubber hoses and go with the Stainless hoses.  The rubber ones lasted
less than 500 miles before coming apart.

Looking back, I wish I would have replaced the valves with the Large Intake
Valve 1.44 and Large Exhaust Valve 1.23.  RazorBob suggested that I do
that and I think he was right.

Gene Eighmy

NASS #275
'79 Spitfire 1500
Birmingham, AL
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Re: [Spits] Engine rebuild: What to ask and say to the machine shop? -and Happy 4th!

2007-07-09 Thread Gene Eighmy
Nick,


 -do machine shops expect the crank removed, or would they prefer it in?


Leave the crank in.  It must be reassembled in the exact same order and
orientation.  If I were you, I would mark each bearing clamp with a metal
punch.  Punch the front with one mark, the middle with two and the rear with
three, etc.  Then take a detailed picture so you can verify that they put it
back together properly.


 -what about the camshaft, in or out?

I upgraded to a better camshaft and included it so they could check the
float.  I don't remember if they had to do anything but I included it just
in case.


 -do they expect to be told what to grind it to, or will they measure and
 decide?


My machinists said they could skim the head for 9.5:1 (premium gas).
Fortunately, I measured everything possible before taking it to the machine
shop.  When I got it back, I measured and verified everything and noticed
that they only took 0.010 off the deck and 0.010 off the head.  When I
called them on it, they said they didn't know how to cc a head and asked how
much I wanted off... I think they know how to do it but it is more of a
liability issue.

For more info check out my woes:

http://webpages.charter.net/eighmy/spitfire/


 -should I be giving them the head as well to install new valve guides and
 skim?


Yes.  While you have it apart, you will want to reseat your valves which
will improve your performance.  They will need all of it.


 The machine shop I've chosen comes recommended, has worked on Spits and
 LBCs
 in general, and is located next door to a mechanic that works on LBCs and
 others. I've never used that mechanic, but they also come recommended.

 Should I be taking my own measurements and telling them what to grind it
 to,
 or letting them know the over-bore sizes available and let them get to
 it!?


Will they supply the pistons and rings?  When I rebuilt mine, I ordered
flat-top pistons to bring it up to UK specs.  At the time, 0.020 and
0.050/60 were still available.

 As you can tell by now I'm sure, the big question is: what do I ask and
 say
 to the machine shop, and what should I do to prepare before-hand?


Figure out what you want to accomplish first.  Do you want stock US/Canada
performance?  Or do you want UK performance?  Or a race fuel powered rocket?


It is VERY IMPORTANT that it all goes back together in the same order.  Do
not take a box of parts to the machinist without knowing how it all goes
back together.  Mark parts and take pictures to document.  Trust but verify
your machinist.

Measure twice... you can only cut once...


Gene Eighmy
Birmingham, AL
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Re: [Spits] Engine rebuild: What to ask and say to the machine shop? -and Happy 4th!

2007-07-09 Thread Nick Moseley
Thanks Gene. Great advice.
I enjoyed your web page, and well remember the novel solution of using piano
wire to form a spring for the master cylinder, and the other challenges you
overcame.

I'm hoping to phone two machine shops tomorrow, to find out if any will work
with me.
I also spoke to Ted S on Saturday morning. His offer of doing the work
including assembly is extremely tempting, and would certainly guarantee
success. I'm still hung up on doing some of the work myself though. 

Just out of curiosity, which cam did you go with, and are you happy with it?

Many thanks

Nick Moseley (NASS 278)
76-81 Spits, near Vancouver B.C.
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