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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list : So, aside from designating official-by-fiat station IDs... That's what I figured out they did. Kurt __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Your why care? caused me this thought: If what you say is true (not that I doubt it), then it appears that information was outed *to* Enigma just as it outed *from* Enigma. So, aside from designating official-by-fiat station IDs, does Enigma matter at all? I pose the thought rhetorically as soliciting an answer will probably ruffle feathers, fuel a flame war, and clog the mailing list. And yet I cannot help but wonder. On Jul 22, 2014 1:25 AM, KD7JYK DM09 kd7...@earthlink.net wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list : Yes, I did ask to join Enigma's group, and yes, I was turned down. I feel special. I was there for a few years. There was relatively little discussion and EVERYTHING on it was a duplicate of several other lists I was on at the time, about five or six, so, I didn't get dropped, I left. I've had no problems with that group, or anyone on it that I know, but from what I read here, anything they have could have been obtained anywhere of a dozen other open forums and probably is, so why care? Kurt __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Good morning I'd like to know hot to do to obtain the number station schedules from ENIGMA2000. I remember some months ago it was possible to read it in the bulletin, while now it is no more included in the bulletin. Thank you bye Naig __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Good morning Naig, One reason schedules are no longer included is because of wholesale plagiarism. Those E2k members who construct schedules [including myself] took umbrage at the manner in which certain persons just took and in some cases reposted as their own work. The other matter being those who freely used and never saw fit to supply any of their own loggings for us to use. Unfortunately the matter grew to a head and we sadly saw fit to refuse those who had reasonably asked permission to use and to withdraw their permitted use from Priyom who had also asked and were given permission. This isn't elitism; we are just protecting the wishes of those who produced schedules and who saw red at the wholesale abuse we suffered from certain 'non-contributing' members - of which a few more will be removed soon - and others mentioned above. Regards Paul For ENIGMA2000 I'd like to know hot to do to obtain the number station schedules from ENIGMA2000. I remember some months ago it was possible to read it in the bulletin, while now it is no more included in the bulletin. Thank you bye Naig __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list At 05:34 AM 7/21/2014, you wrote: \ This isn't elitism; But of course it is exactly elitism, as is the whole Enigma group. John --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list They control the sleds so I guess elitism Ernie Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:38, john joh...@nc.rr.com wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list At 05:34 AM 7/21/2014, you wrote: \ This isn't elitism; But of course it is exactly elitism, as is the whole Enigma group. John --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Hello - don't kid yourself, it's elitism (if it wasn't, you - Enigma 2000 - wouldn't have to explain yourself) and you got annoyed because someone reposted your schedules without paying homage to Enigma2000? Sorry, that's ridiculous, in this age of information sharing. You shouldn't even *care* that someone reposts your lists. As per your logic, this list shouldn't exist, as we're all sharing information here. Did you ever hear, for instance, about open source? Enigma2000 is no longer significant. You know, making an exclusive club makes it interesting up to a point. At first, people can be attracted because they think it's special. Then, as the same information can be found in other places (eg Priyom), people start not caring. I understand it makes you feel important and special when you restrict information, but in 2014 it's a joke. Oh, and incidentally the copyright you like to affirm on the Enigma2000 lists doesn't exist. Why? Because Enigma2000 has no legal personality. It is only a group on Yahoo. It doesn't have a legal director, representative or anything. Tell me, who would go to court to enforce the copyright? You? the moderators? Just grow up. Imagine if every radio amateur or sw dx'er kept their information just for them - radio wouldn't have evolved so much. So you don't want to help people who want to listen to number stations? Fine, good for you. On 21/07/14 11:34, Beaumont, Paul wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Good morning Naig, One reason schedules are no longer included is because of wholesale plagiarism. Those E2k members who construct schedules [including myself] took umbrage at the manner in which certain persons just took and in some cases reposted as their own work. The other matter being those who freely used and never saw fit to supply any of their own loggings for us to use. Unfortunately the matter grew to a head and we sadly saw fit to refuse those who had reasonably asked permission to use and to withdraw their permitted use from Priyom who had also asked and were given permission. This isn't elitism; we are just protecting the wishes of those who produced schedules and who saw red at the wholesale abuse we suffered from certain 'non-contributing' members - of which a few more will be removed soon - and others mentioned above. Regards Paul For ENIGMA2000 I'd like to know hot to do to obtain the number station schedules from ENIGMA2000. I remember some months ago it was possible to read it in the bulletin, while now it is no more included in the bulletin. Thank you bye Naig __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Flavio Anthony, I often bite my tongue when this topic occasionally rears its head. It's not the first time. I once wished to become a member of a certain numbers enthusiast group but was denied membership because I did not have much to offer (wife just had a baby so I was taking care of both resulting in about 3 hours sleep a night!). After a few harsh words exchanged on both ends, I realized that particular group was something I really didn't want to be a part of. I've been following numbers since the mid 80's and have even traveled to some historic sites. While I may not be active, I read this list and UDXF *DAILY.* There are other publications that provide just as much, if not more information and entertainment. I say entertainment because that's really what this is all about... Fun (not meeting some quota). On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Anthony Spinelli presentedi...@gmail.com wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Flavio, Bravo. The day and age we live in now - 2014 - isn't the Cold War, unlike some seem to wish to believe. In these times, on the INTERNET, we believe that the free flow of information is key to digital survival of hobbies - shortwave listening being one of them - and general livelihood. I can see no possible benefit in the redaction of this sort of information. Who are you helping, keeping schedules to yourselves? Are numbers stations made to be a club? In the grand scheme of things, who CARES about numbers stations so much as to keep all the information hush-hush? Everyone knows and praises Great Leader Enigma2000 for the supreme work he has done on the scene - and I don't deny that. But, sometimes, we need to let loose a little. This is 2014. This is the internet. If we want to keep everything secretive, silent, then might as well get our tin foil hats on and cover ourselves with a blanket in Mom's basement. If anything, keeping our information ours is very...childish? Why exist and claim to be for the benefit of others if that benefit is only given to those accepted into the club? Granted, I understand that a lot of work goes into making these schedules. Good. Jonas Salk did a lot of good, hard work on the polio vaccine - that was released for free. So I don't see the excuse for people who love listening to numbers stations to have a good public eye for what people want. I have personally seen dozens of people join the numbers community. I tend to believe numbers station schedules are less difficult to make than a polio vaccine. The way I see it, everyone in this community needs to work together, rather slapping each other's knuckles just because of a couple numbers on the radio. If we keep everything so silent, then the shortwave community will die before the medium itself. -Anthony *The views here do not reflect the official views of PRIYOM or other PRIYOM members. On 7/21/2014 07:40, Flavio Cardone wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Hello - don't kid yourself, it's elitism (if it wasn't, you - Enigma 2000 - wouldn't have to explain yourself) and you got annoyed because someone reposted your schedules without paying homage to Enigma2000? Sorry, that's ridiculous, in this age of information sharing. You shouldn't even *care* that someone reposts your lists. As per your logic, this list shouldn't exist, as we're all sharing information here. Did you ever hear, for instance, about open source? Enigma2000 is no longer significant. You know, making an exclusive club makes it interesting up to a point. At first, people can be attracted because they think it's special. Then, as the same information can be found in other places (eg Priyom), people start not caring. I understand it makes you feel important and special when you restrict information, but in 2014 it's a joke. Oh, and incidentally the copyright you like to affirm on the Enigma2000 lists doesn't exist. Why? Because Enigma2000 has no legal personality. It is only a group on Yahoo. It doesn't have a legal director, representative or anything. Tell me, who would go to court to enforce the copyright? You? the moderators? Just grow up. Imagine if every radio amateur or sw dx'er kept their information just for them - radio wouldn't have evolved so much. So you don't want to help people who want to listen to number stations? Fine, good for you. On 21/07/14 11:34, Beaumont, Paul wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Good morning Naig, One reason schedules are no longer included is because of wholesale plagiarism. Those E2k members who construct schedules [including myself] took umbrage at the manner in which certain persons just took and in some cases reposted as their own work. The other
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Many tnx Tomas!! 2014-07-21 19:15 GMT+02:00 Tomáš Hetmer t...@hetmer.cz: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Hi, since E2k is no longer interested in helping the public with numbers station listening, the only available schedule i'm aware of is maintained by us. http://priyom.org/number-stations/station-schedule.aspx (use the AGENDA view or add it to your Google Calendar) We also typically log and discuss current broadcasts in the IRC chat, where we have an announcement system for next broadcasts set up. (and you can of course participate freely, no invitation needed) Regards Tomáš Hetmer Dne 21.7.2014 18:53, Louis Ciotti napsal(a): Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Not wanting be be a thread crasher, but being a new guy like me to SW listening, and with sometimes narrow windows of listening times, is that a reliable schedule posted somewhere that I would be able to use to find some unique broadcasts?? __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Yeah, too bad. I have spent lots of time converting various schedules into a database that I use to drive my radio. Have tried for decades to establish some kind of logging standard, and am always told it will never work, rather than trying to accomplish the task. It just means their scheds won't get used anymore. Seems counterproductive to me. -- Semper Reluctor War is a country of will, there’s no room for sympathy. If you’re not willing to give up everything…You’ve already lost. -- Chief Dave __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Hello, On 21/07/14 19:30, Ernie Rice wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list We can no longer look at the sheds anymore? Why? Are they classified? I am a casual SWL.credit dye is credit due but to deny the skeds is wrong and smacks of censorship Ernie they wouldn't feel important if other people could look at them :-) imagine someone sitting on a bench making a tally of how many cars pass by, classified by colour. So you approach them and say can I take a look? and the person answers back NO! MY LIST! MY SECRET LIST! MY LIST IS SECRET!. You just go m-kay and think geez. They want to have their extra special secret list, let them have it. It's the same frequencies that show up here. If something - say - is on 12.120 MHz AM, our 12.120 MHz are the same as theirs :-) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:49, Gian Romani romanig...@gmail.com wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list OK Paul, thanks for your kind reply, I understand the situation. It was a great service for fan like me, and I'm sure a lot of other fan miss that kind of useful instrument. Is there any solution for the future? Tnx again, sincerely Naig 2014-07-21 11:34 GMT+02:00 Beaumont, Paul p.beaum...@imperial.ac.uk: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Good morning Naig, One reason schedules are no longer included is because of wholesale plagiarism. Those E2k members who construct schedules [including myself] took umbrage at the manner in which certain persons just took and in some cases reposted as their own work. The other matter being those who freely used and never saw fit to supply any of their own loggings for us to use. Unfortunately the matter grew to a head and we sadly saw fit to refuse those who had reasonably asked permission to use and to withdraw their permitted use from Priyom who had also asked and were given permission. This isn't elitism; we are just protecting the wishes of those who produced schedules and who saw red at the wholesale abuse we suffered from certain 'non-contributing' members - of which a few more will be removed soon - and others mentioned above. Regards Paul For ENIGMA2000 I'd like to know hot to do to obtain the number station schedules from ENIGMA2000. I remember some months ago it was possible to read it in the bulletin, while now it is no more included in the bulletin. Thank you bye Naig __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list I agree. Why do they have a list if no one can use/see them Er Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 13:56, Todd Dokey justcallmebu...@gmail.com wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Yeah, too bad. I have spent lots of time converting various schedules into a database that I use to drive my radio. Have tried for decades to establish some kind of logging standard, and am always told it will never work, rather than trying to accomplish the task. It just means their scheds won't get used anymore. Seems counterproductive to me. -- Semper Reluctor War is a country of will, there’s no room for sympathy. If you’re not willing to give up everything…You’ve already lost. -- Chief Dave __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Aha I get it now Ernie Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 14:02, Flavio Cardone fcard...@wp.pl wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Hello, On 21/07/14 19:30, Ernie Rice wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list We can no longer look at the sheds anymore? Why? Are they classified? I am a casual SWL.credit dye is credit due but to deny the skeds is wrong and smacks of censorship Ernie they wouldn't feel important if other people could look at them :-) imagine someone sitting on a bench making a tally of how many cars pass by, classified by colour. So you approach them and say can I take a look? and the person answers back NO! MY LIST! MY SECRET LIST! MY LIST IS SECRET!. You just go m-kay and think geez. They want to have their extra special secret list, let them have it. It's the same frequencies that show up here. If something - say - is on 12.120 MHz AM, our 12.120 MHz are the same as theirs :-) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:49, Gian Romani romanig...@gmail.com wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list OK Paul, thanks for your kind reply, I understand the situation. It was a great service for fan like me, and I'm sure a lot of other fan miss that kind of useful instrument. Is there any solution for the future? Tnx again, sincerely Naig 2014-07-21 11:34 GMT+02:00 Beaumont, Paul p.beaum...@imperial.ac.uk: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Good morning Naig, One reason schedules are no longer included is because of wholesale plagiarism. Those E2k members who construct schedules [including myself] took umbrage at the manner in which certain persons just took and in some cases reposted as their own work. The other matter being those who freely used and never saw fit to supply any of their own loggings for us to use. Unfortunately the matter grew to a head and we sadly saw fit to refuse those who had reasonably asked permission to use and to withdraw their permitted use from Priyom who had also asked and were given permission. This isn't elitism; we are just protecting the wishes of those who produced schedules and who saw red at the wholesale abuse we suffered from certain 'non-contributing' members - of which a few more will be removed soon - and others mentioned above. Regards Paul For ENIGMA2000 I'd like to know hot to do to obtain the number station schedules from ENIGMA2000. I remember some months ago it was possible to read it in the bulletin, while now it is no more included in the bulletin. Thank you bye Naig __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Hi Please remove my email address from this mailing list. Thanks Rgds On Jul 21, 2014 9:00 PM, Ernie Rice ranger2...@gmail.com wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Aha I get it now Ernie Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 14:02, Flavio Cardone fcard...@wp.pl wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Hello, On 21/07/14 19:30, Ernie Rice wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list We can no longer look at the sheds anymore? Why? Are they classified? I am a casual SWL.credit dye is credit due but to deny the skeds is wrong and smacks of censorship Ernie they wouldn't feel important if other people could look at them :-) imagine someone sitting on a bench making a tally of how many cars pass by, classified by colour. So you approach them and say can I take a look? and the person answers back NO! MY LIST! MY SECRET LIST! MY LIST IS SECRET!. You just go m-kay and think geez. They want to have their extra special secret list, let them have it. It's the same frequencies that show up here. If something - say - is on 12.120 MHz AM, our 12.120 MHz are the same as theirs :-) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:49, Gian Romani romanig...@gmail.com wrote: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list OK Paul, thanks for your kind reply, I understand the situation. It was a great service for fan like me, and I'm sure a lot of other fan miss that kind of useful instrument. Is there any solution for the future? Tnx again, sincerely Naig 2014-07-21 11:34 GMT+02:00 Beaumont, Paul p.beaum...@imperial.ac.uk: Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Good morning Naig, One reason schedules are no longer included is because of wholesale plagiarism. Those E2k members who construct schedules [including myself] took umbrage at the manner in which certain persons just took and in some cases reposted as their own work. The other matter being those who freely used and never saw fit to supply any of their own loggings for us to use. Unfortunately the matter grew to a head and we sadly saw fit to refuse those who had reasonably asked permission to use and to withdraw their permitted use from Priyom who had also asked and were given permission. This isn't elitism; we are just protecting the wishes of those who produced schedules and who saw red at the wholesale abuse we suffered from certain 'non-contributing' members - of which a few more will be removed soon - and others mentioned above. Regards Paul For ENIGMA2000 I'd like to know hot to do to obtain the number station schedules from ENIGMA2000. I remember some months ago it was possible to read it in the bulletin, while now it is no more included in the bulletin. Thank you bye Naig __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:
Re: [Spooks] NS schedules from ENIGMA2000
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Perhaps it's the afterglow of having attended the HOPE X conference, but I feel the need to contribute on this topic: (1) Information will inevitably out. Some time ago I wrote here a little ditty on the fine line between security and obscurity - not a great one, I confess, but it was good on-the-spot imporvisation. There is a parallel: inevitably, encrypted communications can be broken. (2) Information goes where it is wanted. Not necessarily where you want it to go. The schpiel I wrote ended up on places I never expected (or wanted in some cases). (3) Attribution is information. Occasionally I'll quote others without attribution. In most cases it's because the need to communicate information is greater than my ability to identify the source(s). I try my best to identify such information by quoting (QED). (4) Plagiarism is fought by publication. Here's where things get dicey. Yes, Enigma2000, Numbers Oddities, et al. and deserve recognition. In many cases, recognition is the sole remuneration for one's efforts. When less-than-honorable people repackage information as their own, there is no effective way to fight it save for the true source to continue publishing. Eventually, as more people exchange the core information they will also be exchanging ancillary information. Thus, while E2K scheds. may be regugitated undesireably, the fact that plagiarism is taking place will also pass along the grapevine. This will not necessarily prevent plagiarism in the future, but it will make the end user aware of authentic origination. (5) You can choose your friends. This is probably going to be misinterpreted so please read this next section at face value. Yes, I did ask to join Enigma's group, and yes, I was turned down. Even though no one likes to be rejected, in any society (big/small, in/out, hip/square, mainstream/underground) it is the group's decision to accept individuals and, having been accepted, the individual's duty to conform to the norms in order to continue his/her participation in said group. To rail aganst a group due to rejection merely assures future rejection; to accept makes the decision reversible at a later date. So, with repect to the E2K Clique, I look at it this way: things are as they should be, and should be trumps want to be any day. Anyway, the point is to recognize the dilligence we have all put into numbers stations. People clearly value the work. In the end, they will also come to value the people behind the work. __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Spooks] NS schedules from ENIGMA2000
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list At 05:34 AM 7/21/2014, Beaumont, Paul wrote: This isn't elitism; we are just protecting the wishes of those who produced schedules and who saw red at the wholesale abuse we suffered from certain 'non-contributing' members - of which a few more will be removed soon - and others mentioned above. An old DEC buddy (Tom Parmenter) wrote in the what was probably the first internet Blog Desperado something like the following: Forward with daring and whimsy. The Internet is the universal solvent of intellectual property rights while requesting attribution if you forwarded his stuff. He was right of course. I was bounced years ago from Enigma2K for not contributing enough. That was somewhat paradoxical as I had joined the group in order to read and soak up enough to be able to contribute. The elitist attitude was laughable then and even more so now where there are so many other sources of their information. At some point they'll become so secret they'll cease to exist and they'll no longer be subject to thewholesale abuse they stolidly suffer. John --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Spooks] NS schedules from ENIGMA2000
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list : But of course it is exactly elitism, as is the whole Enigma group. Now, who DOES get those schedules? Kurt __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list : Yes, I did ask to join Enigma's group, and yes, I was turned down. I feel special. I was there for a few years. There was relatively little discussion and EVERYTHING on it was a duplicate of several other lists I was on at the time, about five or six, so, I didn't get dropped, I left. I've had no problems with that group, or anyone on it that I know, but from what I read here, anything they have could have been obtained anywhere of a dozen other open forums and probably is, so why care? Kurt __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
