Re: [spring] Conclusion of Adoption call for draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-compression

2021-11-05 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
As I understand the words, the SRv6 dataplane is that part of the IPv6 dataplane that is using SRv6. (If it were not for reduced mode, it would be that part that uses the SRH.) Yours, Joel On 11/5/2021 3:26 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote: Ok Joel - final question from me on this. Do you believe

Re: [spring] General Proxy behavior in SR Service Programming

2020-07-26 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
In the shared memory case, indeed, it is very reasonable to look at the proxy as an arm of the function. In SFC, we do look at it (the proxy as an arm of the SF) that way more generally. We can do that because the SFC architecture calls that out. Given that the other cases do involve network

Re: [spring] Understanding the replication draft

2020-07-01 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
I am not sure I understand the answer. I do see that the local processing is described in the draft. But that is not what I am asking. I am going to try to simplify the conventions to ask the question. I will list SIDs in the order they will be visited. And mark G-SID-X for a global SID,

Re: [spring] FW: New Version Notification for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn-08.txt

2020-06-23 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
Thank you Jie. Yes, I think it would help to do what you describe, reducing those discussions in this document. Yours, Joel On 6/23/2020 3:08 AM, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: Hi Joel, Thanks for your reply and comment. The bullet list in section 4 was introduced before the TEAS NS design team,

Re: [spring] How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

2020-05-24 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
that is only a problem if one needs different options aimed at different service functions. Even NSH does not actually do that. So define a destination option to carry service parameters. Put it in a destination option before the CRH. then every addressed entity examines it. It is marked as

Re: [spring] 答复: CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

2020-05-24 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
Aijun, I am not sure I properly understand your request. In some qys, it sounds like what you are asking for is conventional MPLS. In other ways, it sounds like you are asking for Ross Callon's old writeup on adjusting routing metrics to achieve traffic engineering. Are those objections to

Re: [spring] 答复: Progressing draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn to enable SR with resource management

2020-05-21 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
Part of my concern is that the document claims that this technique is necessary to use resource reservation with segment routing. Given that we know there are existing ways people do use resource reservation with SR, it is not necessary. The term "isolation" has been extensively debated in

Re: [spring] Question on draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-12

2020-03-17 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
Given that the requirement to be able to ignore the routing header predates any of the SRv6 work, a natural reading would be that ignoring the header is something the device can already do. In normal situations, the savings for not doing a check that simple is very small. Having been told

Re: [spring] SRv6 PSP use case

2020-03-04 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
A case with no SRH is clearly not a case for PSP. With regard to the case for PSP, as I said in my note I am concerned that if we want to support this specific case, then there are restrictions on deployment and operation that need to be called out. For example, a path compute engine for

Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming

2020-03-04 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
arified in the text as well as on the mailer. So I fail to understand the resistance of “the other side (including yourself)”. Therefore, I would suggest we go ahead with the declared Spring WG consensus. Thanks, Ketan [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsushima-spring-srv6-deployment-st atus-05#s

Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming

2020-03-03 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
Bruno's statement, which you chose to quote, was that all it takes is for one person to find something useful. I was responding to what the chair said. It is not true as stated. Having said that, I agree that more than one person has asked for this. But the actual requirement is that there

Re: [spring] Suggest some text //RE: Request to close the LC and move forward//RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming

2020-03-01 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
While the node is "asserting" that the two are the same, if you use different SIDs for OAM compared with data traffic then you are not actually checking the same forwarding path. You are not using the same FIB entries. Sure, if everything works right they are the same. But the whole point

Re: [spring] 6man w.g. last call for

2019-12-18 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
Zafar, thank you for taking steps to address my concerns. There seem to be several issues remaining. I am not sure I spotted them all, as the ones I see may be masking other issues. [Side note to the chairs: I have no idea how to enter a general discussion of this sort as a pull request.

Re: [spring] IPv6-compressed-routing-header-crh

2019-03-28 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
I would like to see working path MTU of some form for many different reasons. I would also like to see larger practical MTUs. However, history suggests that both goals may be more aspirational than practical. I tend to be very skeptical of any anlysis that says that user traffic is changing

Re: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11

2018-05-21 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
Thank you. I apologize for missing the other normative items. With those, plus the elaboration on the SRMS, the status as PS makes good sense. Yours, Joel On 5/21/18 11:45 AM, Ahmed Bashandy wrote: Thanks a lot for the review The document specifies externally visible behavior that must be

Re: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11

2018-05-14 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
cking. I leave it to the draft authors to resolve this issue with you. Les -----Original Message- From: Joel Halpern Direct <jmh.dir...@joelhalpern.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 1:16 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com>; Joel Halpern <j...@joelhalpern.com>

Re: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11

2018-05-14 Thread Joel Halpern Direct
Thanks Les. I wondered if that were the case. Looking again at the draft, the problem then is that section 4.2 of the subject draft is not a normative definition of an SRMS. It states the general functionality, and then provides an example of how it would work in the given scenario. If