Adobe Structures

2007-05-09 Thread Ed Cyr
Forum Members, The Great State of California has many historic missions that are made of adobe (dried mud bricks). Wood roof structure. Our county has adopted an ordinance that all buildings in our downtown core be sprinklered by a certain date in the future. We have seen written comments from a

Re: Adobe Structures

2007-05-09 Thread Ed Vining
Ed, don't listen to the hydrophobic hysterical architect. These historic adobes have been around for decades. Many were run down, had lost their roofs, and were exposed to the elements for years. Now look at them. Second piece of advice, don't be fooled by the so-called advantages of

RE: Adobe Structures

2007-05-09 Thread Mike Brown (TECH- GVL)
Dear Ed You may want to talk to the NFPA 13 D Committee that in the 2007 Edition allowed the use of dry and preaction systems in residential occupancies. There is no doubt that the old reliable wet system is the least likely to need maintenance etc. but how many fires have not been controlled by

Re: Adobe Structures

2007-05-09 Thread Richard Mote
Ed, Back in 1984 or 85 when I was with Automatic we did an active trading post in Ganado Arizona. Adobe building with wood roof structure. We used a dry pilot pre-action system combined with a Halon 1301 system. (double interlock wasn't invented yet and Halon hadn't been banned, freezing was

Re: Adobe Structures

2007-05-09 Thread Ed Vining
Richard, If this is the Hubbell Trading Post,I don't know if you know the rest of the story. Their system fell victim to MIC. It was replaced by three dry pipe systems. For the Trading Post itself, the Architect insisted in hidden piping. With no room above the board ceiling, it became

Re: Adobe Structures

2007-05-09 Thread sprinks
Ed, No, I wasn't aware of the rest of the story. Left the area in 87 and haven't been back except to visit since. Thanks for the update. Did they replace the Halon system also? When we put the system in the first time they tore the original roof of the building. The original roof was 2-4 dia.