RE: what the Quell?

2007-12-20 Thread Randy Knutson
George, Does the Quell system require higher overhead densities than the dry systems with in-rack sprinklers? I am wondering because I have an owner who has an existing system in a cheese storage facility and can't use the racks because they keep hit the in-rack sprinklers. Thanks, Randy Knutson

Re: how far to place fixed system deluge nozzles from the hazard

2007-12-20 Thread Ed Vining
I hope the manual valve is a long way off, and upwind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ed Vining 4819 John Muir Rd Martinez CA 94553 925-228-8792 - Original Message From: å... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:47:44 PM Subject: how fa

RE: how far to place fixed system deluge nozzles from the hazard

2007-12-20 Thread Craig.Prahl
Viking had a real good design guide. Got it on PDF and old fashioned paper. There are several variables that need to be determined before distances are established. But 2-3 ft was generally the norm in most (not all) cases. First thing to consider is whether water spray is the appropriate medi

RE: how far to place fixed system deluge nozzles from the hazard

2007-12-20 Thread Craig.Prahl
Sent you an e-mail Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lg.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROT

RE: how far to place fixed system deluge nozzles from the hazard

2007-12-20 Thread Bryan Dann
I acquired a design guide to special hazards several years ago from a company I used to work for. In it they recommend approx. 2'-0" for vessels either horz or vert. This guide was written back in 1987, not sure if it's changed since I haven't designed one in quite some time. Bryan A. Dann Dannba

Re: Floor material dictating Hazard level...

2007-12-20 Thread Todd Williams - FPDC
Charles, I recently wrestled with something similar (pun intended). I am working on a project where the gym will have a poured rubber floor, approximately 1/2" thick. I looked at the MSDS for the product and the flame spread was less than 25 and was shown not to sustain combustion on its ow

RE: Floor material dictating Hazard level...

2007-12-20 Thread Craig.Prahl
Is there any hibachi cooking going on in this area?Oh never mind Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [EMAIL P

RE: Floor material dictating Hazard level...

2007-12-20 Thread Mark Sornsin
I wouldn't consider the floor material in this case to be an additional hazard warranting a change in the sprinkler density. Wrestling mats are often rolled-up and stored against walls; their less-dense composition could arguably add to a fire even when flat on the floor. But the high density rub

Floor material dictating Hazard level...

2007-12-20 Thread å... ....
a wrestling room with pads stacked to 12 feet while they someone is playing dodge-ball is different than a weight room with heavy-rubber mats to 1 inch (effective height almost 0 inch) by virtue of only being exposed at the upper surface (in most places). Not an extreme increase in fire ha

how far to place fixed system deluge nozzles from the hazard

2007-12-20 Thread å... ....
Any advise on how far to place fixed system deluge nozzles from the equipment hazard? Equipment is steel tank with Class II liquids. Lowest level of liquid accumulation is ground level Highest level of liquid accumulation is ground level Most probably level of liquid is 15 ft above ground Feet and

how far to place fixed system deluge nozzles from the hazard

2007-12-20 Thread å... ....
sorry-- forgot the name... Any advise on how far to place fixed system deluge nozzles from the equipment hazard? scot deal excelsior fire engineering ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mai

Floor material dictating Hazard level...

2007-12-20 Thread RFI - Bismarck
Forum, First, Happy Holidays! Thanks for the gift(s) of knowledge this past year!! Now, another present if you will… Have a situation, how does the hazard classification look at a Workout Facility / Gym scenario where the flooring material are those 24” x 24” (or whatever dimension) hard rub

RE: Standpipe Requirements

2007-12-20 Thread George Church
And there are site-specific requirements, such as a 3-story hotel that had limited access around the back, and the local FD accepted this contingent on installation of SPs. We're also finishing up an Independent Living facility were the Owner elected to voluntarily have a standpipe system in their

RE: Standpipe Requirements

2007-12-20 Thread John Drucker
In addition to Paul's reference to building height (905.3.1) there is a references in the IBC to Group A occupancies (905.3.2), Covered Malls (905.3.3), Stages (905.3.4), Underground Buildings (905.3.5), Heliports (905.3.6), Marinas & Boatyards (905.3.7) and in New Jersey, Building Area/Fire Depart

Re: Standpipe Requirements

2007-12-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Karen, You might also check with the local AHJ, as some situations and conditions are designated as requiring standpipes by local codes which are not directly related to IBC or IFC language. As an example, there's a district here in Southern California which requires all multi-family buildin

RE: Standpipe Requirements

2007-12-20 Thread Paul Pinigis
That is going to be in the building code. If you are using the IBC, the height of the building dictates the necessity of standpipes. Paul J. Pinigis, P.E. Chief Life Safety Engineer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Purvis Sent: Thur

RE: Standpipe Requirements

2007-12-20 Thread Karen Purvis
Thank you everyone. It helps if you look in the correct code book :). Karen Purvis Designer Facility Systems Consultants 714 S Gay St Knoxville, TN 37902 ph.865-246-0164 fax 865-246-1084 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.o

RE: Standpipe Requirements

2007-12-20 Thread Greg McGahan
IBC or your local building code. Merry CHRISTmas, Greg Living Water Fire Protection, LLC 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 Fax: 850-937-1852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Purvis Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007

RE: Standpipe Requirements

2007-12-20 Thread George Church
Generally its when the top occupied floor is 30' above the lowest level of FD entrance that a SP is required under IBC. glc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Burtell Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:32 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprin

RE: Standpipe Requirements

2007-12-20 Thread Craig.Prahl
Check section 905 of the IFC or IBC. Remember generally speaking the building code tells you when it's required and the NFPA standards tell you how to do it. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg,

RE: Standpipe Requirements

2007-12-20 Thread Joe Burtell
It's found in chapter 9 of the IBC. The building code will provide the when to sprinkler or provide standpipes and NFPA 13 & 14 will tell how to do it. Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS Burtell Fire Protection, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.burtellfire.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ma

Standpipe Requirements

2007-12-20 Thread Karen Purvis
I have a question for anyone working today. There is a code somewhere that states when a standpipe must be used. I have searched through NFPA 14 and 13 and can not find the code. Does anyone know what and where that information is? Karen Purvis Designer Facility Systems Consultants 714 S Gay St Kn