Re: Hydrant Flow Test

Hi Ron. Good eye on that new required tank capacity. A few years ago you posted something about 'does anyone have any ideas for some experiments me and the students could do, as a learning thing'? How about accompanying some contractors while they do main drain tests? Nothing better than than

Re: NFPA-13R

The 2013 edition of 13R deals specifically with this by reiterating what the building code states. The 13R handbook commentary for this particular section is a little interesting though and I've had a few go arounds with revewiers in this regard. It states "This rule applies to the exterior or

Re: PIV Supervion, lock or tamper switch?

David, thanks for responding. The building is new. The problem is the fire inspector has made mistakes all over the map on many different projects. It's extremely frustrating because his mistakes are falling on blind eyes with fire admin, he's being protected. I believe this will be the straw.

RE: NFPA 25

Florida does have yellow tags as of 7/19/16 69A-46.041 (b) If a fire protection system is found to have noncritical deficiencies and is not in compliance with the applicable NFPA ITM standards, a completed YELLOW Non-compliance Tag shall be attached to the main water control valve of the

RE: NFPA 25

What would that have to do with the requirement to maintain Records, Chapter 4. Wherein is listed As-built, calcs..etc.., R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis Project Manager Rapid Fire Protection Inc. 1530 Samco Road Rapid City, SD 57702 Office-605.348.2342 Direct

RE: NFPA 25

Actually, the general information tag doesn't show up in NFPA 25 until 2014. We're still under 2011 in Florida so I can't write them up. John Irwin - CET Division Manager - Fire Sprinklers Critical System Solutions, LLC Licence Number: FPC16-53 Cell: 813.618.2781 Email:

RE: NFPA 25

Ahh, I stand corrected.   I should visit more. :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: John Irwin Date: 01/25/2017 1:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE:

RE: NFPA 25

Wrong there buddy. Yellow tags came to down last year, =) John Irwin - CET Division Manager – Fire Sprinklers Critical System Solutions, LLC Licence Number: FPC16-53 Cell: 813.618.2781 Email: jir...@criticalsystemsolutions.com

RE: NFPA 25

Florida doesn't have a yellow.Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Matthew J Willis Date: 01/25/2017 1:00 PM (GMT-07:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: NFPA 25 Isn’t that a non-compliance

RE: NFPA 25

That's a good point. Just the missing information placard alone should trigger a comment John Irwin - CET Division Manager - Fire Sprinklers Critical System Solutions, LLC Licence Number: FPC16-53 Cell: 813.618.2781 Email:

RE: NFPA 25

Isn't that a non-compliance item per 25? Shouldn't you yellow tag based on no data? R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis Project Manager Rapid Fire Protection Inc. 1530 Samco Road Rapid City, SD 57702 Office-605.348.2342 Direct Line-605.593.5063 Cell-605.391.2733

NFPA 25

Main drain test - We keep running in to situations where we inherit new inspection contracts and when performing a main drain test, we have no previous information to compare it to. Either the previous inspection by others can't be found, and/or no general information placard has been hung on

Re: Hydrant Flow Test

The simple thing is to ensure that the tank has the necessary capacity for the new duration of flow and then just calculate the design area(s) back to the tank. If you want to be conservative use a more severe c factor. It's a dead end closed system. No flows necessary. On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at

RE: Hydrant Flow Test

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1pnryhlf5f0fckn/tim_flow_test.xlsx?dl=0 Tentative Estimate: 150,?,430. .2/1950= 390 GPM min system demand so should be OK. I welcome any and all to take what they like and leave the rest, and if you have any questions mail me off Forum any time day or

RE: NFPA-13R

I can see why the AHJ might want it on the 2nd floor corridor because of the “occupied” space above. *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Travis Mack, SET *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:26 AM *To:*

RE: PIV Supervion, lock or tamper switch?

Owen, I don’t think I saw this in any previous responses but is this an existing building? If so, when was the system installed and what was required at the time it was installed? Unless the requirements for being electrically monitored is a retroactive requirement, whatever was required at the

Re: NFPA-13R

This is a good example of where you have to follow the code first. If you are under the IFC, then the requirement for sidewalls on the balconies of R occupancy and Type V construction has been around since I think the 2003 edition of the IBC/IFC. So, regardless of the direction of NFPA 13R,

RE: NFPA-13R

I recently posted a situation where alarm design ended up raising questions about needing sprinklers in an open hallway, so there are a number of issues that could affect the sprinklers in the halls. So the answer is "definitely maybe". I don't know of any problem with exceeding minimum

RE: NFPA-13R

Thank you for the info. Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssytemsinc.com From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Irwin Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:17 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org

RE: NFPA-13R

Do the balconies have storage closets? Do those storage closets have HVAC equipment? Is that equipment gas? Is the construction wood or concrete? General rule of thumb is if its wood construction its needed because of tenants barbecuing NFPA 13R 2002 ed 6.8.6 Mark From: Sprinklerforum

RE: NFPA-13R

Are you estimating or designing? What did your salesperson sell? What did he exclude? =) If your estimating, break out that pricing. Sucks to lose a job because the guy down the road didn't know he needed balcony protection ... John Irwin - CET Division Manager - Fire Sprinklers Critical

RE: NFPA-13R

Thank you sir Travis, I'll call the AHJ to see what he wants for the corridors. Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssytemsinc.com From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Wednesday, January 25,

RE: NFPA-13R

Pretty much what Travis said. I usually provide break-out pricing for the corridors because a lot of AHJs will ask for them regardless. Regarding the balconies, we are in 2010 edition of 13R so they would not be required, however Florida has adopted the requirement for them in type V

Re: NFPA-13R

For the back balconies, go to the IFC and you will see it is needed if it is Type V construction. The 2016 edition of 13R (maybe the 2013 edition) has incorporated that. I remember an informal interp from either AFSA or NFSA that stated with the corridor open on both ends, then it was open

NFPA-13R

NFPA-13R (2002) 6.8.4 "Sprinklers shall not be required in any porches, balconies, corridors, and stairs that are open and attached...". I'm checking over some plans of a (3) story apartment building, on the 2nd & 3rd floor there is a hallway down the center length of the building with