Re: Floating Dock

2017-02-16 Thread Vince Sabolik
On Feb 16, 2017, Charles Thurston wrote: >Hello Charles, > >See if I can get all the answers in this email: > >It is schedule 40 now and had to be centered in the floating section to >keep it level, This will be 4 feet off center. There is no handrail on >the floating

Re: Floating Dock

2017-02-16 Thread Charles Thurston
Hello Charles, See if I can get all the answers in this email: It is schedule 40 now and had to be centered in the floating section to keep it level, This will be 4 feet off center. There is no handrail on the floating section so it will be mounted to the deck with 2' risers to the hose

Re: Pressure Reducing Valve on a Balancing Calculations

2017-02-16 Thread MPhelps
Hi Jerry, Have you considered using a pressure sustaining valve on the supply side of the pump? It has the effect of limiting the pressure at low flow, then opening up to full pressure at high volume. I believe you would need to locate the valve upstream of the pump outside of the pump house to

Re: Pressure Reducing Valve on a Balancing Calculations

2017-02-16 Thread Travis Mack
Is this system installed or still in design? Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Jerry Van

Pressure Reducing Valve on a Balancing Calculations

2017-02-16 Thread Jerry Van Kolken
I have a Fire Pump feeding a HiEX foam and Wet System. The start-up churn on the pump will cause the pressure to go over 175 psi so we are putting a pressure reducing valve on the wet feed side of the discharge. I'm not sure how I balance this system anymore due to the PRV. The valve will be

RE: Floating Dock

2017-02-16 Thread John Irwin
I've never actually installed it myself. Priced it once. But I see it all over. Yes, typically under the floating docks feeding hose valves from below. John Irwin Critical System Solutions Sprinkler Construction Manager 813-618-2781

RE: Floating Dock

2017-02-16 Thread Hinson, Ryan
HDPE is only listed for underground suppression piping application. Are you suspending HDPE in air below docks? What about: - Poisson’s ratio of exposed plastic piping being significant due to temperature deltas in ambient air as well as pressure/expansion relationships between

RE: Floating Dock

2017-02-16 Thread Matt Grise
You mention river - any salt water exposure? Matt   -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Art Tiroly Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:40 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Floating Dock

RE: Floating Dock

2017-02-16 Thread Art Tiroly
How much movement where dock connects to shore? Metraflex Co has flex U loop that may be of value. Can you support pipe on the floor outside the hand rail? Art Tiroly ATCO Fire Protection/Tiroly 24400 Highland Rd CLE 44143 216-621-8899 216-570-7030 cell -Original Message- From:

Re: Floating Dock

2017-02-16 Thread Mark Phillips
Galvanized sch 40 Flexible couplings as it crosses any joints and a thermal expansion join to land connection. I think victaulic made one but you coukd make it by using flexible coupling every six inches on a three foot section Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Feb 16, 2017 4:02 PM,

Floating Dock

2017-02-16 Thread Charles Thurston
Hello Sprinklerforum, Looking for suggestions for pipe to use on top of a floating dock for the Manual Dry standpipe. We had pipe under it but due to structural failures of the dock the pipe is now in 3-5 feet of muck in the bottom of the river. Looking to run the pipe on top of the dock.

Re: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls

2017-02-16 Thread Bruce Verhei
Replying to SL's comments re: Individual shut off and flow switches to individual tenant spaces in larger malls. True malls, larger than 50k sf have required active smoke control. Automatic detection is required. This may be by smoke detectors, or by flow switches configured as observed by

RE: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls

2017-02-16 Thread MPhelps
In a perfect world, they are not getting an occupancy permit on the “vacant spaces”. In that case it could be looked upon as no occupancy, no fire hazard. If the spaces are vacant with no combustible load and no occupancy, it behaves much like a noncombustible concealed space above the ceiling.

RE: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls

2017-02-16 Thread Steve Leyton
Because if it’s a non-combustible building and the owner isn’t trying to obtain a certificate of occupancy for the rough tenant suites, then they can request final inspection on the common and back-of-house areas and defer the tenant suites. It’s actually a low-drama scenario at the statutory

Re: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls

2017-02-16 Thread Roland Huggins
I don’t see how that could comply with the building code? Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Steve Leyton

Re: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls

2017-02-16 Thread Roland Huggins
8.16.4.3 often gets referenced when the mains pass through unprotected portions of the building. Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > On Feb 16,

RE: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls

2017-02-16 Thread MPhelps
Would it not be conceivable that the building owner is simply deferring the cost of the sprinkler installation to the individual tenants when and if they lease a shop/space in the building? Mark at Aero 602 820-7894 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org]

Re: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls

2017-02-16 Thread Shawn Chapman
Thanks Steve, point well taken. -Original Message- From: Steve Leyton To: sprinklerforum Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 10:11 am Subject: RE: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls Careful with that claim Shawn. NFPA 13 does

Re: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls

2017-02-16 Thread Roland Huggins
Whether or not the swiss cheese passive construction is tight or not doesn’t change the owner’s building code driven options. Their insurance carrier will obvious adjust their premiums accordingly. I never said it was the smart thing to do, just that it is allowed. I was one of the initial

Re: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls

2017-02-16 Thread rongreenman .
I think the building code would allow, or could be interpreted, to mean what Roland is alluding to in his short post. Then the same with Steve. Is the AHJ calling for sprinklers per occupancy definitions in the building code? You can make a case that in a mixed use you need a OH2 in the auto-parts

Re: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls

2017-02-16 Thread Roland Huggins
I did an article in 2013 on when different parts of a single building can have different levels of protection. IT started off with when you could have a portion with a 13 system and others with a 13R. It morphed into when you can have parts with NO protection. Shoot me an email off line if

RE: Unsprinklered spaces in strip malls

2017-02-16 Thread Steve Leyton
Careful with that claim Shawn. NFPA 13 does NOT require a building or part of a building to be furnished with sprinklers, just as NFPA 14 doesn't require standpipes in buildings and NFPA 20 doesn't require pumps on FP systems, etc., etc. The adopted building code requires sprinklers in

RE: Owner Info Certificate

2017-02-16 Thread Todd Williams
Thanks Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT Office: 860-535-2080 Cell: 860-608-4559 [tel:860-608-4559] Fax: 860-553-3553 On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Travis Allen- Allen Engineering wrote: Here’s an Word form for your use: