Re: Group of Pipe Obstruction

2021-12-16 Thread John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum
I do not disagree that the pattern is not perfect. However, the goal is fire control, not fire suppression. In light and ordinary hazards occupancies especially, as long as the fire stays contained, we have met the goal of NFPA 13. In addition, we need to ensure the sprinkler operates in a reaso

Re: Group of Pipe Obstruction

2021-12-16 Thread AKS-Gmail-IMAP via Sprinklerforum
One should realize what happens when a continuous deluge of water, ie fire sprinkler flow, encounters a piping group or an electrical conduit group, especially level piping groups. The water flows on the piping surface and then drops off the pipe at the pipe’s bottom. What hits the top drops off

Re: Group of Pipe Obstruction

2021-12-16 Thread John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum
NFPA 13 - 2019 - The answer depends on the hazard and the sprinkler type. ESFR and CMSA do have requirements that address this issue. For light and ordinary hazards, as long as the individual widths are 4' or less with some separation to allow water to hit the floor,and the sprinkler deflector is

Re: Group of Pipe Obstruction

2021-12-16 Thread Ken Wagoner via Sprinklerforum
§Joe, I'm not clear on which edition of NFPA 13 is in force for you, however I would look closely at the parameters of §9.5.5.3, inclusive, and the annex material for those sections in the '19 edition, and into §10.2.7.2.1.1. I looked into the '19 handbook, and found the following in the "bl

Purpose of Subdividing Dry Systems?

2021-12-16 Thread J H via Sprinklerforum
Hello All, Is the purpose of subdividing a dry system per NFPA 13, 7.3.9 - 7.2.3.9.2 (2013 ed) in order to control system size? Let's say you have a system that is 1000 gallons and I don't want to be subject to the water delivery time requirement can I divide the system right down the middle with a

Group of Pipe Obstruction

2021-12-16 Thread Joe Burtell via Sprinklerforum
I apologize if this has already been asked and answered. I could have sworn NFPA addressed this but I am looking for when a group of mechanical pipes are racked and create a wide obstruction, what the minimum gaps between pipe to not consider it a solid obstruction? Can someone point me to the corr