Re: Freeze prevention

2013-06-13 Thread AKS-Gmail-IMAP
I am not aware of any. It seems like it is really a matter of how cold the conditions are. If you had a sprinkler system of uprights where the uprights are the only piping dead ends then you might expect the water density difference between cold at sprinkler and warm at the circulating piping to

Re: Freeze prevention

2013-06-13 Thread Ed
Think how much pipe surface you would have to transfer heat, and the volume of the protected space Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Nicky Marshall wrote: > > Is anybody aware of approved systems for freeze prevention of sprinkler > pipework that involves circulating water wit

Re: Freeze prevention

2013-06-13 Thread bverhei
Wouldn't there also be an energy cost to a circulating system? Every piece of pipe will pass heat to the refrigerated space. There is a cost to that. Then the refrigeration system needs to run to remove that heat and blow it off to the atmosphere. Or are you intending on intercepting some of tha

RE: Freeze prevention

2013-06-13 Thread Failla, Daniel
NFPA 13, 2010 22.1.5, Working Plans for Automatic Sprinkler Systems with Non-Fire Protection Connections, may be of help. Granted the appendix shows heaters being connected to the sprinkler system with 286 degree sprinklers, but this may of some assistance. Dan Failla Charleston Fire Marshal's

RE: Freeze prevention

2013-06-13 Thread Matthew J. Willis
John O'Connor Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:17 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Freeze prevention What about thermal transfer to temperature sensitive sprinkler heads? Not a very good idea, without sophisticated sensors and controls. John O'Connor ---

RE: Freeze prevention

2013-06-13 Thread John O'Connor
ehalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:53 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Freeze prevention I don't know of any products From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firespr

RE: Freeze prevention

2013-06-13 Thread Craig.Prahl
Also, heat tracing is not approved for protecting an entire system. That is not it's intent. You didn't state what type of building or area is being protected. Is it commercial, industrial or residential? What are the conditions and why is the building/area not heated to prevent freezi

RE: Freeze prevention

2013-06-13 Thread Matt Grise
I don't know of any products From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Nicky Marshall [ni...@protechdesign.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 5:02 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesp