Re: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate)

2016-01-06 Thread Roland Huggins
BULLSEYE. Except for the small percentage of owners that hire a knowledgable consultant, you have to visit the Smithsonian to see the ONE certification otherwise completed. Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives Dallas, TX h

Re: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate)

2016-01-05 Thread Todd Williams
I sit corrected. I was looking at 14.1. I've never seen one. Something no one enforces. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-608-4559 (cell) Sent using CloudMagic [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=ti&cv=6.0.64&pv=8.2] On Tue, Jan 5,

RE: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate)

2016-01-05 Thread Scott Futrell
ssage- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 2:27 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate) I believe the language in 1

Re: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate)

2016-01-05 Thread Roland Huggins
Look at 4.3. IT is a SHALL be provided by the owner or their representative. Having said that, I doubt that 1% of the jobs get it beforehand. Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org

RE: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate)

2016-01-05 Thread Bill Brooks
ts.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate) I believe the language in 13 says the Owner's Certificate should (not shall) be used. It is also in 2002 and I have never seem one. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 8

Re: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate)

2016-01-05 Thread Todd Williams
I believe the language in 13 says the Owner's Certificate should (not shall) be used. It is also in 2002 and I have never seem one. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-608-4559 (cell) Sent using CloudMagic [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mail

RE: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate)

2016-01-05 Thread Mark A. Sornsin, P.E.
"What about the Owner's Certificate required by 4.3 in the 2007 edition and for all editions since then? Has anyone checked this document to see what the declared use of the space is? Why does the sprinkler contractor always seem to take on the responsibilities of others?" Because - at least

RE: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate)

2016-01-05 Thread Steve Leyton
rinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 10:20 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate) What about the Owner's Certificate required by 4.3 in the 2007 edition and for all editions since then?

RE: Locker Rooms (who prepared the Owner's Certificate)

2016-01-05 Thread Bill Brooks
ailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 12:41 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Locker Rooms And my comments were in tacit support of your perspective, based on historical performance. You are much more in touch wit

RE: Locker Rooms

2016-01-05 Thread Mark A. Sornsin, P.E.
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 11:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Locker Rooms And my comments were in tacit support of your perspective, based on historical performance. You are much more in touch with what the good people of Lake Oswego are going to do (or n

RE: Locker Rooms

2016-01-05 Thread Steve Leyton
forum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Smith, David Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:36 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Locker Rooms I understand (& support) your perspectives and was simply trying to answer Todd's question of

RE: Locker Rooms

2016-01-05 Thread Art Tiroly
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of aaron rohr Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 9:13 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Locker Rooms Really, Ask him if he wants all cabinets to be covered by OH1? Do you think the heads are listed for closed compartments? Is

RE: Locker Rooms

2016-01-05 Thread Smith, David
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Locker Rooms Valid point for an engineer of record to ponder during the A/E design. But if nothing is stated to a bidding contractor other than the space will be locker rooms, than nothing should be inferred other than a standard, light hazard,

RE: Locker Rooms

2016-01-05 Thread Steve Leyton
ineer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9905 | mobile: 701.371.5759 | http://www.kfiengineers.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Smith, David Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:01 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.o

RE: Locker Rooms

2016-01-05 Thread Mark A. Sornsin, P.E.
| http://www.kfiengineers.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Smith, David Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 10:01 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Locker Rooms I have seen portions of

RE: Locker Rooms

2016-01-05 Thread Smith, David
m...@ci.oswego.or.us 300 B Avenue | PO BOX 369 Lake Oswego OR 97034 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 4:20 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Lock

Re: Locker Rooms

2016-01-04 Thread aaron rohr
Really,  Ask him if he wants all cabinets to be covered by OH1?  Do you think the heads are listed for closed compartments? Is NFPA 13 intended to cover every space?  ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.fir

Re: Locker Rooms

2016-01-04 Thread Dewayne Martinez
We sometimes protect the locker rooms as OH I when it is a school because they often store items in there over the summer break. I have had a couple of AHJ's ask for this. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Todd Williams wrote: > > Storage of what? > > Todd G Williams, PE Fir

Re: Locker Rooms

2016-01-04 Thread Todd Williams
Storage of what? Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-608-4559 (cell) Sent using CloudMagic [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=pi&cv=6.0.64&pv=8.2] On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 6:45 PM, sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org wrote: We have

RE: Locker Rooms

2016-01-04 Thread JSM Fire Pro
@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Locker Rooms Have always seen them as light hazard as well, and never had that design basis questioned before. Steve Leyton Original message From: James Crawford Date: 1/4/2016 3:46 PM (GMT-08:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org

RE: Locker Rooms

2016-01-04 Thread Steve Leyton
Have always seen them as light hazard as well, and never had that design basis questioned before. Steve Leyton Original message From: James Crawford Date: 1/4/2016 3:46 PM (GMT-08:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Locker Rooms We have always protected