We have a manufacturing facility making stainless steel exhaust parts. They
are packaged for shipping on wooden pallets, sometimes in cardboard and
sometimes in plastic sided cartons (both have open tops and both cartons are
the size of the pallet) fully wrapped in shrink wrap (encapsulated) then
Let me say where I'm coming from...I believe Chapter 13 Misc Storage applies
to this. The Insurance Company is telling the owner due to the plastic sided
cartons that the density could go as high as .70 regardless of height, but
he is checking in to it. The owner has asked my opinion and I would
I believe you're back to determining the weight 5 of plastic vrs a Class I
commodity. May not be sufficient weight of group a to be significant enough
to support extended burn time.
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
Are you referring to the 15% volume of plastics...? I'm over looking it
this morning; can you refer me to where this is?
Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Manufacturing with shipping storage
Are you
I would think stainless steel exhaust parts would create a fairly
heavy pallet load. How heavy are the cardboard and plastic containers
that they can support 2 high when open topped?
At 07:59 AM 9/24/2010, you wrote:
I believe you're back to determining the weight 5 of plastic vrs a Class I
We have a owner that is requesting us to explore the possibility that a
indoor pool be used as a water source for the sprinkler system.
Anybody do this before? Seems like there would be too many problems
with the chlorine in the water damaging the system components.
Thanks,
Dewayne Martinez
We have done inspections and service at a daycare that had an outdoor pool that
they used as the water supply. The chlorine did not seem to affect the system
for some reason. I was surprised to learn that the fire marshal even had them
calculate the water supply based on the level in the
That's a good question, I haven't seen the scenario - only been told by
owner. They are encapsulating it with shrinkwrap but I would have to agree
there must be something there helping to support the other pallet. The owner
said sometimes their customer requests the plastic sided container because
Yes I have done it and seen it done many times in Florida, figure the
volume of the pool and do it like a tank, the chlorine was less harmful
than using salt water which was an option. Just hope the kids can get
out of the pool quickly...
Richard Carr, SET
Design Manager
Associated Sprinkler Co.,
Anybody know of CPVC / chlorine compatibility issues?
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Carr
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:20 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE:
Speaking of the kids...what are the procedures for 'not sucking small children
into pumps'? I have heard of issues with kids being trapped by water
circulating pumps in pools, this seems like it would be a much more serious
issue.
Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP
Sales Engineer
Alliance Fire
Section 5.6 has the commodity classification definitions.
Duane Johnson, PE
Program Manager
Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor)
Office of Research Services
National Institutes of Health
301-496-0487
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From: George Church [mailto:for...@ptd.net]
Sent:
There is a federal mandate out there that restricts the velocity of the water
at the suction point. This is supposedly due to a kid being drowned by such an
incident. In the past we had to create multiple suction points that tie back
into the single supply pipe to get the velocities down to
Here is a document I found on a quick internet search.
Carl Chappell
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:29 AM
To:
From page 17-3, 16th edition Fire Protection Handbook, under 'Freezing
Temperature and Antifreeze Additives', second paragraph: The water soluble
freezing point depressant in fire equipment most widely used is calcium
chloride with a corrosion inhibitor additive. Calcium chloride solutions are
not
Not something I'm proud of, but did this twice.
Routine painting - think they empty the hotel or have a fire watch?
Have a minimum of two full-sized suction grates at least 6' apart so no one
can block both entry points. Oversize since you're not likely to be able to
have a vortex plate in the
Seems like there could be some serious liability
issues with this. personally, I would steer clear
without a wet well or something similar.
At 08:43 AM 9/24/2010, you wrote:
Not something I'm proud of, but did this twice.
Routine painting - think they empty the hotel or have a fire watch?
George-
No apology necessary, I appreciate all the help from the forum.
Brian Harris
FDFP Inc.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:02 PM
To:
You can also use the pool for a heat sink for heat pumps and use a
solar array to heat the pool to 50 degrees in winter (no freezing and
the optimum heat transfer temperature for heat pump efficiency.
Engineering kids. We're part of a group building a building. We don't
drive the project nor is
We are remodeling an an old grocery store, being converted into a church.
The existing fire sprinkler is pipe schedule, 3 in lead in. Wet system, alarm
check valve with an anti freeze loop. Off of city supply.
Existing domestic supply is well water. The owner intends to tap the fire main
lead
I have a customer that is looking to build a building with 30' eaves, storing
seed corn in 4' x 4' x 3' high (open top) plastic totes, stacked as high as
possible (over 30' high at the peak).
Dry systems, so no ESFR.
We are coming up with Group A plastics, but it looks like the highest
How do they plan on stacking open top totes to 30 feet?
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On Sep 24, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Gregory Lindholm greg0...@msn.com wrote:
I have a customer that is looking to build a building with 30' eaves, storing
seed corn in 4' x 4' x 3' high (open top) plastic totes,
The building slope should not exceed 2/12
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From: Gregory Lindholm [mailto:greg0...@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:21 AM
To: SprinklerFORUM
Subject: Seed corn in plastic totes
I have a customer that is looking to build a building with 30' eaves,
storing
Much steeper and the totes will go sliding across the floor. 8-)
At 03:11 PM 9/24/2010, you wrote:
The building slope should not exceed 2/12
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From: Gregory Lindholm [mailto:greg0...@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:21 AM
To: SprinklerFORUM
Subject: Seed
Hello Todd,
Curb Stops solve that, And provide dispersal of the water at the same time.
Friday, September 24, 2010, 3:18:31 PM, you wrote:
Much steeper and the totes will go sliding across the floor. 8-)
At 03:11 PM 9/24/2010, you wrote:
The building slope should not exceed 2/12
Self toting totes! I should have specified ROOF slope. What do you guys
think about Calcium Chloride Loops? I am going to be away from e-mail pretty
soon til Monday- I want to see if this is a possible dent in the antifreeze
problem, or a total wash-out.
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From: Charles
Isn't calcium chloride what I put in my lantern as a kid, produces acetylene
gas when it mixes with water?
While as a solution it might not be a problem until someone adds some to
refresh the mix- and blows the place up.
Out of the frypan and onto the cooking surface.
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George,
From page 17-3, 16th edition Fire Protection Handbook, under 'Freezing
Temperature and Antifreeze Additives', second paragraph: The water soluble
freezing point depressant in fire equipment most widely used is calcium
chloride with a corrosion inhibitor additive.
See post this
I was corrected in-house
Calcium carbide is what I was remembering incorrectly.
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:43 PM
To:
13, 2007 table 8.3.5.2(c) gives minimum distance from edge of 0 W to 250 W
light fixture to 155 deg.F sprinkler as 6 inches. In what direction is this
measurement taken?
If both sprinkler head and light fixure are mounted on a ceiling there is no
problem, as it will be the closest horizontal
I'd stay away from locating a sprinkler above the bar type bathroom lights.
They can put out quite a lot of heat, and we all know what goes up...
This sounds like a residential fixture, if so, the bulbs may be replaced later
with a higher wattage creating more heat.
Jamie
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You lucky…. You dodged a public bullet. I just got to this.
For Brad:
From the MSDS:
In the event of a fire, wear full protective clothing and
NIOSH-approved self-contained breathing apparatus with full facepiece
operated in the pressure demand or other positive pressure mode. At
high
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