Well, I know where I'll be on April 22. Hope any of you in PA will join us.
Sure, plumbers will do a lot of this work. Sure, we'll get some since we
actually DO SFDs on the rare occasions they present themselves in our
market. Bt I'm doing this because for 35 years I've protected warehouses
where
The voice of reason has spoken. Amen!
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Well, I know where I'll
Actually, the auto companies lobbied against air bags, as they did
seat belts, as they did emission controls. However, we're all better
off because we have them.
At 08:12 AM 4/9/2009, George Church wrote:
Well, I know where I'll be on April 22. Hope any of you in PA will join us.
Sure,
Some commentary states that the FDC is not intended to be a substitute for the
normal water supply (GPM) but a supplementary source used to boost pressure.
With that being the intent, the smaller size makes more sense.
With the test header, you are testing the actual flow (gpm) characteristics
Ever hear of a save because the water supply into the building was impaired
and the arriving fire dept. used the FDC as the secondary supply?
Never have.
David Autry
Plans Examiner
Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office
246 S. 14th Street
Lincoln, NE 68508
402-471-9659
402-471-3118 fax
Ron,
Fear not the IBC/IFC have it covered, well at least the location
criteria. For those in NJ this section has been amended by the state to
include height and flush type connection requirements amongst others.
John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official
New Jersey
2006 IBC
SECTION 912
FIRE
How do you supplement pressure without flow? There is a check valve held
shut by the incoming system pressure. If enough pressure is delivered to
the supply side of the FDC check to open won't the check valve in the
riser close?
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ 85024
If you have enough flow and pressure that a FD pumper can't open the check
at all, then you don't need the supplement, I suppose.
glc
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The riser check is required to prevent re-circulating the water from the
FDC back to city main and thus the hydrant used by the pumper truck. How
could both check valves could be open at the same time?
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ 85024
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PA is not an isolated case. There is a Washington Residential
Sprinkler Coalition of which I'm a member. NAHB hit certain target
states (those most likely to pass legislation AGAINST sprinklers
including Arizona--ironically considering Scottsdale) early and hard.
They caught us underfunded,
Some commentary states that the FDC is not intended to be a substitute for
the normal water supply (GPM) but a supplementary source used to boost
pressure. With that being the intent, the smaller size makes more sense.
With the test header, you are testing the actual flow (gpm) characteristics
Members,
Could someone please explain the fire protection goals of 2002 NFPA-13-
8.14.5.1 and 8.14.5.2 with regards to combustible hydraulic fluids.
Now before you say Duh, this code officials gone mad, to put the fire
out of course I'd like you to identify the fire hazard in detail, the
NFPA 13, 2007 ed. Handbook 6.8
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection Technician
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
3350 38th Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58104-7079
Direct Number: 701.280.8580
Mobile: 701.212.8810
Main Office: 701.280.8500
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better yet - look at the Annex at A.6.8.1
Ron - one or the other check will not be open expect for that rare
occurrence with the supply curves match.
Roland
On Apr 9, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Reed Roisum wrote:
NFPA 13, 2007 ed. Handbook 6.8
Reed A. Roisum, CET
Fire Protection Technician
Just another thought, if your 3000Gpm fire pump failed, how many fire dept.
even have a pumper capable of replacing that volume? Multi connections and
multi pumpers? If the pump failed, the battle was most likely lost before
the first engine arrived. Monitor time!! Supplemental only.
Thom
Yes, I believe we've kicked this one around before and even Roland has
pronounced that the large lady sang. I'll be counting on that outa the
archive as we skinny a 6 FDC down to 4 on a pump we're doing now. Neither
4 or 6 is going to make a dif if our 3,000 at 160 doesn't start, and the
fire
Yeah! I haven't seen any Multi port Storz connections yet.
Nice free standing 6 Storz x3 w/chrome to a 12 Dia. riser at the front gate
to the property.
Nice little sign, In Case of Fire please connect three largest pumper
trucks to this connection and crank em up! Min. Demand 6000 Gpm @ 160 Psi
Min. Demand 6000 Gpm @ 160 Psi
If the time comes when that much water/pressure is needed, then the pipe it
is supposed to distribute through is already on the ground with the rest of
the steel me thinks.
Hydrants side by side to feed the engines that are stacked on top of each
other? 12 Storz
Yeah it is kind of confusing:
8.14.5.1 requires the sprinkler due to accumulation of debris in the pit.
8.14.5.2 does not require the sprinkler if there' no combustible hydraulic
fluids. Seems that if there is no combustible fluids then debris doesn't want
to hang out in the pit.
T'would be
OK
Michael Fine
Mechanical Engineer
100 South Wacker Drive, Suite 1400
Chicago, Illinois 60606
Phone: 312-578-2402
Fax: 312-558-1849
http://www.greeley-hansen.com/ http://www.greeley-hansen.com/
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Agree. I have not found a listed one.
John August Denhardt, P.E.
Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated
5113 Berwyn Road
College Park, Maryland 20740
Office Telephone Number: 301-474-1136
Mobile Telephone Number: 301-343-1457
FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES
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I can only go on a limb and suppose that the combination of combustible fluids
with the potential debris pile is of more concern that just the debris
pile...(?)
The fire hazard from the combustible fluids relates to the potential leakage of
fluid and possibility for a pool fire. There is
What's odd is you assume there is some connection between goals of fire
protection and code requirements. And an AHJ cares about the reasoning?
You my friend are a rare bird.
I suppose like Mark said it has something to do with atomized fuel? The
other thing might be debris alone isn't going
2006 IBC-901.4 Threads.
Threads provided for fire department connections to sprinkler systems,
standpipes, yard hydrants or any other fire hose connection SHALL BE
compatible with the connections used by the local fire department.
But to answer the question, not exactly. The Storz fittings being
Speaking or Storz, did they ever get listed for use as fire protection
equipment?
While I understand the original question, I have to ask another two
If we left a 4 pipe w/ NPT threads sticking out the wall cuz the fire
department would bring there own adapter, would that make it better
Mark, You're on to something; There is also the chance of a small leak
under high pressure becoming a cloud of atomized combustible fluid, which in
turn can find an ignition source and become a blow touch of sorts.
Anyone else ?
John Drucker
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I am with you John, however I think the concern is more of a manufacturing
thing. If you get a Storz connection from Billy Bob's House of Hoses and
Stuff, will it take the 150 psi or blow apart instantly. Leaving you with
no connection at all. Casting the piece is easier than confirming the alloy
Instead of listing, why not a 150psi (higher if particular system requires
it) Hydrostatic test added to the acceptance test?
Ken Holsopple
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
Speaking or Storz, did they ever get listed for use as fire protection
equipment? It must be great to have such strong
Can anyone tell me what I need to do to unsubscribe? I have typed that
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On Apr 9, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Ken Holsopple (forum) for...@ptd.net
wrote:
Instead of listing, why not a 150psi (higher
Idaho won a victory for the Fire Protection Industry today.
We still have work to do as the Senate wants to revisit this issue to look
at using a little hammer later this summer.
Read the full story here, http://www.firebyknight.com/news.htm.
Bob Knight, CET
(208) 318-3057
b...@firebyknight.com
Are you staying that Stortz is not UL listed?
How could this be possible?
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Fdc piping is supposed to be part of the acceptance test. Should be hydro
tested.
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NFPA 13 2002 16.2.1.10 - Piping BETWEEN exterior FDC and check valve in the
fire department inlet pipe shall be hydrostatically tested in the same
manner as the rest of the system.
Ken Holsopple
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
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What did the PE's spec's say?
Bruce V.
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