I'd be concerned that you have completely muddled up kfactors for someone who
no longer looks at it as the standard and industry practices do.
But why listen to us warning about sending novices out with the wrong
viewpoint?
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On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Brad Casterline
Brad
I'd rather spend my remaining time with my wife and I'm licking myself for
saying anything. Btw who might be accepting this for the jurisdiction?
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On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Brad Casterline bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com wrote:
Thanks Matt and Ron. I appreciate ALL
but when I think of him
it's saying and I always chuckle. You just keep licking yourself for a long
time, OK.
And let Leyton Yosemite Sam out on Brad.
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 5:32 PM, George Church g...@rowesprinkler.comwrote:
Brad
I'd rather spend my remaining time with my wife
I believe tommy d could fill you in on a lot of local horror stories.
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On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Todd - Work t...@fpdc.com wrote:
What exactly is the purpose of a forward flow test on a backflow preventer?
This is not required on other check valve devices such as alarm
Couldn't treat em as 13d irc townhouses?
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On May 29, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Todd - Work t...@fpdc.com wrote:
This is an older single story 3 family side-by-side structure. The 13R system
is being retrofitted. I believe (am confirming) that they have local hard
wired smoke
Horn strobe?
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On May 29, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Todd - Work t...@fpdc.com wrote:
My contract does not include alarms, only the sprinklers. It will be up to
the owner and the FM to work that detail out. I have been asked to show a
strobe outside and a local interior alarm on
If these are modular homes its likely cpvc that isn't going anywhere.
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On May 25, 2013, at 11:46 PM, Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com wrote:
Whether or not the system would sway during moving would be dependent on
how it's currently installed. If in earthquake country it
Ask them if they flowed it at a specified pressure instead of velocity and you
will avoid glazed eyes. Speak their language
And no, outside its listing they likely won't stand behind it because there is
nothing to stand on.
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On May 24, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Brad Casterline
My recollection of the 7 psi min ehp was to make sure the cap was removed and
an acceptable pattern developed.
Thought it took 5 psi to clear the waterway so 7 became the min, maybe for
pattern, maybe buffer.
Mark, that's a Min ehp. With today's hi perf heads we often need lots more,
Except that you are designing outside the standard.
Can't recall ever even thinking of approaching an AHJ with 6 psi instead of 7.
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On May 21, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Brad Casterline bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com wrote:
Thanks John. Assuming that is true, we could say a 1/2 head at 7
Add some dried sludge and age 20 years.
Mark, did u see the clogged drops on a DIPreAction sys up your way? I realize
we need to maintain and cure bad ones with testing, but reality testing should
include aging and normal degradation of system.
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On May 21, 2013, at 4:28
Owner can have an agreement with one (or more) local tanker company to respond
with x number of trucks to fill in 8. Heckuva lot cheaper than redundant or
double sized tank.
This should qualify as a means to fill in 8.
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On May 17, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Morey, Mike
Written by one of those Terp FPEs, right?
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On May 13, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo
prodesigngr...@msn.com wrote:
There was once a white paper that discussed Porches and Tractors when it came
to Velocities...
From: rhugg...@firesprinkler.org
I've had to follow 25 when replacing at diesel pump. Royal PIA even for a Spkr
geek.
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On May 7, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Roland Huggins rhugg...@firesprinkler.org
wrote:
Obviously there's nothing in 13 since that's an installation standard. The
main point is that there is no
Back in the 80s I called CSC to ask how to figure it since we had just put a 5'
tall sprinkler atop the building. They said they are determined empirically,
lending support to Roland.
Glc
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On May 7, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Roland Huggins rhugg...@firesprinkler.org
wrote:
In
for being yourselves.
Glc
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On May 1, 2013, at 5:18 PM, Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com wrote:
Stay on that box George.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:56 PM, George Church g...@rowesprinkler.com wrote:
That well-rounded education is very useful in the workplace. Like
Bet the FF get soaked since they expect that check is in place like every other
fdc they've seen.
I did a manual dry in mid80s buried in interior pilasters, protected by heat,
and put supervisory water in it for supervision, so needed the check.
Glc
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On May 2, 2013, at
That well-rounded education is very useful in the workplace. Like the NICET
testing forcing us to look at various segments of the industry and see it
presented in a complete set of pipe charts. One sees all available so if
someone brings up or specs on something OTHER than what we all use- sch
Compare MD for including a lot more sprinklered homes.
Wouldn't it be great to get $9,000 for a 13d tank and pump?
The list gets bigger, my tolerance already gone with the politics of money in
PA's Act 1 to get rid of pesky sprinklers.
And they know they are lying. I can't call these half
Is there a truth on advertising law that could lead to cease and resist?
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On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:48 PM, James McHugh jmch...@testandrain.com wrote:
...Minnesota are a national model for fire safety where fire deaths
have virtually disappeared tell that to the 50 families in
Hasn't worked for reining in Big Pharma.
It's all relative and those boys work in billions, not millions
Just the cost of doing business.
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On Apr 26, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Steve Leyton st...@protectiondesign.com wrote:
I'm not suggesting that they had sinister intentions, but
Or ask if you could have a cc of a previously accepted one? File under freedom
of info
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On Jan 21, 2013, at 5:48 PM, rfletc...@aerofire.com rfletc...@aerofire.com
wrote:
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Phoenix
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From:
...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 3:21 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Wet tents drying at 45'
Ok. 2007 #13, steel joist noncombustible construction, and qualify someone has
BA Fan interlock off WFS.
Glc
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On Dec 31, 2012
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 3:21 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Wet tents drying at 45'
Ok. 2007 #13, steel joist noncombustible construction, and qualify someone
has BA Fan interlock off WFS.
Glc
Sent
Look at 2.3.6.5on pgs 52-53 of FM DS 8-9. One level IRAS at 5' OC and lower
the roof storage height to whats shown. A lot easier to protect, and allows up
to 20' clear. After 20', false ceiling, Equivalency FPE, etc. none of which are
pretty.
Assuming AHJ would allow specific FM DS criteria
Subject: RE: Wet tents drying at 45'
Open floor plan?
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 3:21 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Wet
Here's an unusual one. Tent rental firm, they have a 45' high bay with BA Fans
and floor heat and a couple Unit heaters. They hoist them with wires and spread
them out. Separate high piled rack storage outside this area, so fuel load is
just what is hanging. Fire resistant canvass primarily,
Ok. 2007 #13, steel joist noncombustible construction, and qualify someone has
BA Fan interlock off WFS.
Glc
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On Dec 31, 2012, at 3:17 PM, George Church g...@rowesprinkler.com wrote:
Here's an unusual one. Tent rental firm, they have a 45' high bay with BA
Fans and floor
I can see a case for libel, too. Even if not pursued, watch the look on the
supervisors face when mentioned.
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On Dec 14, 2012, at 8:40 AM, craig.pr...@ch2m.com craig.pr...@ch2m.com
wrote:
Referred to Law enforcement, really? Because someone said something bad
about
the
FDC from a hydrant at 19 PSI? None that I know would stop.
Mark at Aero
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:51 AM
To: sprinklerforum
Are we talking a low suction cut-off, but of the supply NOT suction to a pump?
I suppose the water co wouldn't want the pressure to go below 20, but it flies
in the face of all we stand for to have a shut-off inserted for stopping the
operation of the sprinkler system if the supply pressure is
? None that I know would stop.
Mark at Aero
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:51 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: 20 PSI
If we were writing Code, someone would have yelled out Undefinable and we
wouldn't have put it in the document.
If the firm issuing this is competent, I don't see a problem. They're just as
frustrated trying to educate some unwashed contractors as we are in trying to
educate some plumbing PEs
Life would be simpler if 90% of the bid docs we get weren't completely silent
beyond meet code or contained fatal errors.
My favorite is when they fluff out their notes with snippets of #13, like
specifying the MRA, say .1/1500.
Oh- so if there's unsprinklered combustible concealed spaces we
Triggers an RPZ
Plugs heads
Need much more?
Turns to glass when exposed to air, hence the sealing action.
Imagine cross connection and a resident drinks it.
That, my friend, is the type of negligence that pierces the corporate veil and
puts you where you belong.
Not using it is a noo-brainer.
, but in the hustle-bustle of
C.O.J. and field roll groove, the same amount of QC might not happen.
Since we cannot cut groove thinwall, all galv for the Corps ends up S40. Are
there any portable cut-groovers around anymore?
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From: George Church [mailto:g...@rowesprinkler.com]
Sent
There's a heckuva lot of roll grooved galv S10 installed in sprinkler systems.
We have 7 miles of it in one freezer that comes to mind.with TriSeals, of
course.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
Fortunately for us, it's been when our inspector is there wondering why 80 PSI
and zero air doesn't raise the clapper.
And the time the DPV acted with smart logic- somehow it knew the attic low
point wasn't drained, so when it broke, the DPV didn't trip and cause all that
nasty water damage.
So far as I know from a recent bid, that's it.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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But Todd-
You're hired to just list the job?
Do it. Can't see where that could possibly involve liability, but with the
legal decisions one sees, I'd write a letter to the contractor you're listing
for and note your concerns, list it, and send em an invoice.
Think of all the NFPA 25
And I believe the Academy is certifying the inspectors in FL and other locales
as an alternative to NICET.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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I suppose it's just since we apply the codes and standards as adopted so most
AHJs don't know and don't care if we can model something or draw other
conclusions than what they're reading in black and white, day in and day out.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box
-
From: George Church [mailto:g...@rowesprinkler.com]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:46 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: 13R balcony protection
I suppose it's just since we apply the codes and standards as adopted so most
AHJs don't know and don't care if we can model
Pressure limiting device
Governor on the diesel to lower speed at churn so as not to exceed 170 PSI
discharge pressure.
Used when the water supply exhibits relatively high static and low residual,
and you need 170 at rated capacity.
See NFPA 20 2003 for first invocation against using the main
But the cure (air leakage test performed every 3 years) is only cured when:
a) its adopted
b) its enforced.
Parallel to when an EOR leaves boiler plate in his spec for compliance with the
latest edition of a particular code or standard. Why would you penalize the
Owner's wallet for compliance
$
You've got a belt and suspenders cost for a customer who, by code, only needs
one.
And it didn't have to be the more expensive N2 version.
So when presenting the idea of minimizing future corrosion, he's got the
following, grabbing $ out of the air:
1. plant air- $600 for an AMD
2.
Small until you do a large complex and add 30% of the heads-OUCH!
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
a couple of 5000 PSI bombs 20' from bedrooms.
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:22 AM
To: Charles Thurston; sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject
I'd think it would move similar to a deluge valve when the pumper hits it.
How about hilti hdi-p drop-ins with rod up to riser clamps, with galv pipe nips
over them. Allows maintain pitch.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE
I'd agree, but sometimes it isn't much.
We had a 572 HP diesel for a 3,000 @ 170 PLD that dropped like 400 RPM from
churn to 150% (4,500 GPM!!!)
Limited selection in the big variable speed diesel drivers.
Had to increase pumproom 2' in width to fit the testosterone in.
George L. Church, Jr.,
First, why would you add air when the N2 alone is the cat's meow to minimize
corrosion?
Next, with an AMD it's an auto air supply until its empty. If they keep a spare
bottle and there's a low air whistle, and you haven't installed a leaker, then
they can change it when they come in for work
Might be quicker to ask the specifying EOR where this is permited in #20
because you can't find it and you, and 600 of your sprinkler friends, have
never seen it done. Might be a reason.
Plus it might
a-make him think
b-make him look at #20
c-make him figure it out while you do something
How much is a 10 x 96 long flex coupling?
Well, two of them
Any cost overruns could be covered by a quarter slot, mount a saddle to it
(western) and hit the button!
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335
I believe that's the intent of having 286*F in storage with less demanding
criteria than 165*F.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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Too late to make you r modifications and paint the whole thing red before
calling for inspection?
Doubt any of us are providing a blast finish onsite.
Letter from Allied on XL and black?
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE
You can lead an AHJ to water but you can't make him think. Or see what you
think is obvious.
Might want to print out responses from the Forum and show him what your peers
say and cite (save this for when he still says No).
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407,
If it's a low ceiling, and you can get max 7' storage in it or less, OH1?
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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From:
There are some exceptions for storage areas that are broken into maybe 500 SF
max areas being allowed to bbe .05 with resi's, I believe.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
dsg method @ 0.1 with QR
sprinklers.
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From: George Church g...@rowesprinkler.com
To: sprinklerforum sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Sent: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 9:50 am
Subject: RE: Basements storage in multiple dwellings
There are some exceptions for storage areas
I'd say Special Application, usually a larger K Factor that reduces pressure
demand compared to what you might ordinarily used.
Think of a K25 ESFR's ability to reduce pressure requirements to eliminate the
need for a fire pump since you only need 15 PSI instead of 75.
George L. Church, Jr.,
Might want to know that there wasn't anything preventing a couple of those
springs being used to attach the cover plate, so the drop length might or might
not be the one you calculated, or the one that didn't have to be recut if you
had some spare springs. Please don't ask me why I know this, I
How do you know that we didn't harden ANY buildings after 9/11? Data on all
buildings in the world? You jump your mentor over no data, then make a claim as
all-encompassing as that? I'd be surprised if SOMEONE didn't do SOMETHING to
harden their building after that terrible catastrophe. It's a
Some of the Teflon white coatings are listed corrosion proof, use a deep dish
stainless escutcheon not recessed and you're free of listing the combo of spkr
and esc.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
So treat it conceptually as a manual wet standpipe with sprinklers on it.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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Sometimes I wonder if events like that are given so some of us have the
opportunity to
Be heroes
Do unusually nice things for people
Do remarkable things.
I've had so many people do such wonderful things for me that I wonder if that
might be why we have cancer- so folks can rise to the
Take Chris with you. He may have to take it home, but their oven is already
trashed.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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From:
Todd
Looks like you have the answer. If they refuse to accept it, you are off the
hook.
Glc
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On Sep 4, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Todd Williams t...@fpdc.com wrote:
Roland, I'm not the EOR on this project, just the plebe doing the shop
drawings. The EOR put very little thought
What edition of 13? 13R? applies?
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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And as mentioned in a different manner- after draining, open the bottom valve,
lift a bucket of AF solution up around it, reach in and shut the lower valve-
frost proofing. Doubt the flammability matters if the brass in the valve melts
and allows the solution out in advance of water from the
We just protected an OH2 store with a #22 tank and a pair of single phase #20
pumps when 3 phase wasn't available.
Cheaper than a pressure tank(s).
Glc
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On Aug 31, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Cahill, Christopher ccah...@burnsmcd.com wrote:
Well I don't know how you get 30 minutes
Dewayne, I had a short off-Forum debate with a friend when the AFSA release
came out- citing we MUST address known problems when we're aware of them. I
would debate that all day if I had the time.
On a parallel of when TIA's apply- CMS uses the 1999 edition on a certain date
for nursing homes
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:18 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Antifreeze Update
Dewayne, I had a short off-Forum debate with a friend when the AFSA release
came out
-5556 Cell
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:39 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Antifreeze Update
If you were in Rod's
Imagine adding up all the years of experience, in various locales and different
points of view (contractor, AHJ, mfrs, insurance, FPEs, etc) that are applied
to situations like yours?
P R I C E L E S S
Makes the membership dues of AFSA seem trivial in comparisonyes, it's that
time of
I'd agree, FWIW.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org]
Another thing to consider is that, while prone to awsh$t moments like the rest
of us and a bit over 30 yrs old, Roland does have one of those MD FPE wall
plaques, along with some TC experience which helps when you try to read between
the lines. Oh, and there's that Standards Council thing, I
So assuming there IS an intermediate landing, you're to protect below it.
If there ISN'T an intermediate landing, then you'd be protecting under the 2nd
floor landing.
If the area under the landing is walled off, you don't need to protect it
(assuming noncombustible construction in a stair
Maybe with SS304 1/4 bolts?
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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I thought there were one or two, since about a year ago I pointed out in an RFI
questioning the need for FM-Apvd resi hds, that they cut our selection from 14
to 2 or 3 sprinklers. Did you look in the FM Approval Guide? I don't recall if
I looked on mfr sites or FM.
George L. Church, Jr.,
Jim, looks like things will be heating up this summer. For better or worse,
this guy wants to get his point across to a larger audience, sounds frustrated
enough to do battle in public if that is what it takes. I gotta admire that
unless proven looney. Doesn't sound like it.
Glc
Sent from my
Rod,
Go back and read Tim's citation. 2007 is our PA adopted version. In it, no
reason non-22 tanks store FP water to unlisted pump from Lowes to 13R system
with no connection to domestic. Don't have to like it, can change it in a later
edition, but until PA adopts an edition requiring NFPA 20
Liberty Mutual offers similar, on behalf of Mr. Hague who has contributed much
to the advancement of NFPA standards in his career.
And you don't have to go to NJ! :)
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
Well, I'd qualify that-
With some of us, it's a person standing and speaking and waving their arms.
Don't feel singled out Steve, BC is right there with you.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
Just so I know if I had a shot at a job- and I did pass ASCOA's Bennett Test of
Mechanical Comprehension, etc. back in 74-
It's noon, right? Checking the ability to handle a fact given in English,
despite induced cognitive dissonance of a stopped or wrong clock.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
And unit heaters aren't as typical in big box ESFR DC's as Cambridge units.
Like roof fans, skylights, etc- move em to miss us, we're not adding 4 90's in
the BL's.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
I cant think of any reasons why the 13-96 reqmnt for QR in LH wouldn't apply or
be a problem.
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On Jul 2, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Morey, Mike mo...@bmwc.com wrote:
Educational is classified as LH, if you're replacing all the heads they
should definitely be QR, the explanitory
Some good points, but I wouldn't hold my breath on reading the reality posted
in a public spot.
Even the family of a US Govt employee who was killed my US-govt issued
armament, let alone Congress, can't get a straight answer on how that happened.
While I'd love to see the summary of a lot of
Just south of Wilkes-Barre, north of Blue Ball...
Mr Leyton knows more about PA than most SoCal'ers.
Nice chuckle on a TGIF!
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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I'd agree.
Maybe this strategy would work; a veteran FM field engineer looking at a round
duct and the possible need for dropping a sprinkler under it:
Is the building going to burn down because of it, or the lack of it?
Since this particular duct was a short run above a corridor between Truckers
Oddly enough, retail fireworks in a display setting are only an OH2 risk- we
did substantial research into our first one, have done several for a guy with a
chain, and since he only stores 6' high in the back, it's all OH2. Sure we know
we're only going to control a non-firecracker fire,
Todd,
I've never heard of any restriction on the size of an area with meltouts.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
g...@rowesprinkler.com
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I don't think Travelers sells special sprinklers, but insurance coverage.
Flex drops? Bottle of clean agent?
Certainly not the first radio station with A.S.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax
You could add a system of heat or smokes for early warning; you could upgrade
density or remote area size, for equal or better protection. Think outside the
box if you're using Equivalency.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
Would anyone know when dry grids were taken out of NFPA 13? My recollection is
mid 1980's, but don't have a copy to check.
We've encountered a dry-pipe system installed circa 1999, purported to be in
accordance with NFPA 13- 1994 according to the signature of a NICET Level IV,
complete with
Of George Church
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 7:56 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: dry grid prohibition
Would anyone know when dry grids were taken out of NFPA 13? My
recollection is mid 1980's, but don't have a copy to check.
We've encountered a dry-pipe system installed
The amount of significant digits we work to in various aspects is quite varied.
Some folks believe calc programs down to the .001 level when it all comes down
to a gauge bouncing around in a variable water supply with uncontrolled changes.
Yet we worry about inches in other areas.
George L.
In a planter it'll pick up all the fertilizer, dog poop, and whatever else is
soluble.
Assume the FD will dump and flush their tank- likely as much water as the
system took to put it out before they got there.
George L. Church, Jr., CET
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407,
Makes you wonder what we did before all the DCDA, RPZ, etc.
Oh, that's right- a single check, sometimes with a cheater meter, and/or an ALV
or DPV.
Gosh, remember how many people used to get sick and/or die from our sprinkler
systems before we added $1200 to $10,000 per system for REAL BFPs?
Great point, Bob- imagine 8 UG, 8 riser, later on a 1 AF connection for a
one or two head AF system off, say a 4 CM.
Wouldn't be 1 RPZ?
Love it- the RPZ separating the non-toxic AF from our stinky sprinkler water
with soot in it (just look at my dress!).
Sure today's premix is tomorrow's
Fire code official in a Pgh, PA suburb circa 1981 used to circle the BFP on
EVERY submittal and note Not required by Fire Code Official.
Believe years later a brother in law parallel to this story got caught, and of
course the very savvy code guy had sterile hands.
We'd talk after a jobsite
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