I would not recommend this. It is a sure-fire failure event. The tent has to
remain intact for the life of the structure and if it can fail it will. If any
part of that tent isn't properly sealed or falls apart you have a failure.
Exposed inside. Concealed in the heated space with an insulated
Interesting discussion on this forum.
Steve is utilizing the scientific method that needs to be used to avoid a
Daubert challenge and ensure the proper conclusion, if there is one.
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You didn't mention what the liquid is. If it is a hazardous
You didn't mention what the liquid is. If it is a hazardous material as
recognized by the International Fire Code then the 'empty' container is still
considered full unless completely cleaned.
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Subject: RE: CPVC Fitting
Seems silly that a threaded female x threaded female fitting in CPVC would even
exist?
Taylor Schumacher
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Just ONE of the reasons this forum is so valuable to the fire protection
industry.
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Mike,
That is an interesting situation and thought.
I would defer to Messer's Hall and Denhardt.
For CMDA sprinklers there are requirements in light and ordinary hazard, but I
don't see specific reference to combustible roof materials for storage and CMDA.
The are limitations for spacing of CMSA
Appreciate that John. I don't see that information in the original post. Sorry
I missed the key information and I wouldn't have been a smart*** if I read it
correctly and thoroughly.
I write, and am governed by, state law as well as professional engineer rules
and ethics and sprinkler
I can't wait to hear what John and Kevin have to say.
It seems that if the sprinkler system understands the vehicle parked under the
canopy is only there temporarily then it isn't a problem. However, if the
sprinkler system doesn't understand the vehicle is parked temporarily and a
fire starts
and repair mechanic
when I was doing hands-on work, has been that I can't recall ever seeing a
leaky tri-seal fitting in a heated, unheated, or cold storage facility whether
part of a dry or a preaction system.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 10:47 AM Scott Futrell via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerfo
I'd sure be interested in hearing more on this subject.
"Listing" only partially answers the question.
Roll groove v. cut groove makes a difference.
If the bottom line is as cheap as possible then you go one route.
If the bottom line is an effective fire sprinkler system for the life of the
There really should be a "Like" button for emails, for this thread on George.
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Good morning.
I've looked at the flyer briefly and it certainly is moving in the right
direction.
With record lows in Minneapolis and many other locations that are colder than
-25°F in the northern tier of states I wouldn't do it unless it was a loading
dock or somewhere where water damage
Considering how much corrosion I've observed and documented in wet and dry
systems in schedule 10 in 8-15 years - not MIC - we only specify schedule 40.
Scott
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Just remember to allow for thermal expansion and contraction. It can get very
ugly if the CPVC is restrained and thermal expansion and contraction has not
been appropriately allowed for. This applies when a building is warm in the
summer during construction and then air conditioning is turned
Great comments. Great information.
1" pipe with cast iron fittings filled with water explodes the side out of the
cast iron ell in 52 minutes at 17⁰F and that piece flies 65 feet when not
confined. I’ve done these experiments outside in winter.
Scott
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Many more times than you may have heard about, Craig. For a variety of reasons,
there are more fires that exceed the full design area than you are told about.
I recently spent four days at a fire scene where part of a sprinklered, light
hazard building burned to the ground. That fire exceeded
Yes that is more relevant than 404.3 exception 2.
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Travis,
It would help to know what edition of the IBC is adopted in the community to
narrow the search. Or do you just want to know in general?
Scott
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Don't forget, NFPA 30 and International Fire Code sprinkler/foam system
criteria are not in sync. Fire code rules. Also, you have to look to the fire
code to know what edition of NFPA 30 is enforceable.
Scott
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As I stated in a previous, related thread, you start with the fire code and
work from there. IIIB's are easier to work with from a fire protection
standpoint, but it may take an engineering solution.
Scott
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You first start with the Fire Code adopted in the community. The fire code has
requirements for flammable and combustible liquids and also includes fire
protection requirements. You have to start there. The IFC varies from NFPA 30
in some sections. There are maximum allowable quantities (MAQ's)
resprinkler.org/ondemand to
learn more.
On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:07 PM Scott Futrell via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
> 2019:
> 8.2.6.6.5.1
> The disconnecting means for an automatic air compressor shall not be a
> general-use light switch or
2019:
8.2.6.6.5.1
The disconnecting means for an automatic air compressor shall not be a
general-use light switch or a cord-and-plug connected motor.
Scott
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NFPA 91: Standard for Exhaust Systems for Air Conveying of Vapors, Gases,
Mists, and Particulate Solids
NFPA 654: Standard for the Prevention of Fire and Dust Explosions from the
Manufacturing, Processing, and Handling of Combustible Particulate Solids
Does that help?
Scott
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What edition?
Scott
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Thank you.
Not what I need for PowerPoint slides, but thanks!
Scott
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From: Travis Allen- Allen Engineering [mailto:tra...@allenfpe.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 4:33 PM
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cns.doe.gov>>; Scott Futrell
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Subject: RE: N1.85 graph paper
Me too please
Thank you,
J. Scott Mitchell, PE
Senior Fire Protection Engineer
Mission Engineering
CNS PTX / Y-12 | 865-576-5258
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.fire
Does anyone have an electronic metric/imperial N1.85 graph that they would be
willing to share with me offline?
I need it for hydraulics seminars and all I have are jpegs with one or the
other.
Thanks in advance.
Scott Futrell
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See below.
Scott
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From: David Williams
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 2:39 PM
To: Scott Futrell ; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Attic/Concealed space access to sprinkler heads
Language camp facility. Rural area. Installing
David,
Interesting question. You haven't provided enough information for a thorough
answer.
How big of an attic area?
So you intend to mark the location of every upright sprinkler in the concealed
space on the ceiling below? No one will ever paint that gypsum?
Then cut access for NFPA 25
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