Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-30 Thread John Drucker
1) Same here. However I am not an OSHA inspector even though pointing out the arc flash potential of 480 3 phase with short circuit overcurrent protection. I stand to the side out of the cone, the burn unit is not somewhere I want to visit. 2) Yes. Have witnessed all of these things, add in

Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-29 Thread Bruce Verhei
I witnessed initial more than a dozen of the 75 and 100 hp electric motor powered pumps installed when ESFR first came out, and meant 14.2k pendant. I never saw the pump rep or spk fitter dressed in anything but their regular clothes. This is central Puget Sound. Best Bruce Verhei (Do

Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-29 Thread Forest Wilson
Years ago, I completed the Fire Pump Technician Certification Training through Peerless Pump Company at their headquarters, under a great guy named Pete Noll. The FireTrol controller rep also trained the students and certified them. The course was designed for a technician to be competent to

Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-28 Thread Mike B Morey
calsystemsolutions.com From: Sprinklerforum [ mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Blocker Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:06 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers The only ones we do in house are diesel drivers.

Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-28 Thread Jay Stough
il: jir...@criticalsystemsolutions.com > > > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler. > org <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy > Blocker > *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 201

RE: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-28 Thread John Drucker
forum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:26 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers Speaking of owner’s don’t care, does any think that NFPA 25 is completely out of control regarding pumps

Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread rongreenman .
I think it's out of control in a lot of places. In fact is like to see intent and justification documented for much of the document. Intent equaling what problem is this rule solving and justification delineating how severe and prevalent the risk versus what you gain for the cost. Maybe just the

Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread Bruce Verhei
t; From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Jeremy Blocker > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:06 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers > > The only ones we do in house are die

RE: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread Jim Davidson
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:26 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers Speaking of owner’s don’t care, does any think that NFPA

RE: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread Tom Duross
What do you mean by out of control? Monthly or weekly runs? I’m still old school but I do wear full PPE (most of the time) during annual testing, even after 3 arc flashes. I know.. I do a flush, 4 points with everything, 3 manual, 3 auto, exercise both disconnects, full run handle, even

Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread Roland Huggins
Speaking of owner’s don’t care, does any think that NFPA 25 is completely out of control regarding pumps? Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > On

RE: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread John Irwin
rforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Blocker Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:06 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers The only ones we do in house are diesel drivers. This decision was onl

Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread Jeremy Blocker
il: jir...@criticalsystemsolutions.com > > > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Jeremy Blocker > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:43 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Another NFPA 25

RE: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread John Irwin
D2A6F0.A76CE860] From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Blocker Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 11:43 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers The easiest solution we found when

RE: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread John Irwin
:43 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers The easiest solution we found when faced with this very problem was to call in the experts. When we asked our insurance agent about this we discovered that we could end up needing to change our policy to

Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread Jeremy Blocker
g] > On Behalf Of Roland Huggins > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:23 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers > > There is a TIA to NFPA 25 effectively saying stay the hell out of it. We’ll > see where it goes but it m

RE: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread Matthew J Willis
3 Cell-605.391.2733 Fax:-605.348.0108 [cid:image001.png@01D159E8.1A3A2D00] From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:23 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Contr

Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread Roland Huggins
There is a TIA to NFPA 25 effectively saying stay the hell out of it. We’ll see where it goes but it makes sense considering the hazard. What do our pump inspectors herein think? Roland Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX

Re: Another NFPA 25 Question - Controllers

2017-03-27 Thread John Denhardt
My personal opinion - no. John August Denhardt, P.E. Strickland Fire Protection On Mar 27, 2017, at 6:34 AM, John Irwin > wrote: What are an inspector’s responsibilities when it comes to opening up a fire pump