RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents

2009-02-17 Thread Craig.Prahl
There have been some heated debates on this issue. I have a White Paper which outlined numerous testing scenarios with vents, curtains and sprinklers. Here is the Conclusion of the research. INTERACTION OF SPRINKLERS WITH SMOKE AND HEAT VENTS Craig L. Beyler and Leonard Y. Cooper Hughes

RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents

2009-02-17 Thread Chris Cahill
: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of craig.pr...@ch2m.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents There have been some heated debates on this issue. I have a White

RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents

2009-02-17 Thread Thom McMahon
Many instances? Care to list a few for us? Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents

2009-02-17 Thread Chris Cahill
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:59 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents Many instances? Care to list a few for us? Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136

Re: ESFR and Smoke Vents

2009-02-17 Thread Roland Huggins
Everyone advocates for their interest BUT I am not aware of a time when we published a research paper that tap danced on such thin ice. Interesting to note that it's finding was so different from that of the NIST study (which I think we can consider a tad less biased). Schulte did a

RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents

2009-02-17 Thread Steve Leyton
...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:00 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents I know of 7, 3 big box, one in AZ, one in MA, and one in GA. A storage warehouse in St. Paul

RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents

2009-02-17 Thread Chris Cahill
@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents Keeping in mind that this thread turned hard left based on the words, ... where the sprinkler systems simply did not do their job ... I would say: First one is not a failure - system was off. Second one - did the mill have a system

RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents

2009-02-17 Thread Thom McMahon
This is exactly the point! You have to go to several countries, and back 30+ years to justify your loss history! All this while not hundreds, but THOUSANDS of these systems are going in every year! In truth, the failure rate is only relevant to the Fire rate, not the install rate, but what is