Dear Olson: Yes. You must complete all the required sprinklers in order to
achive the calculated from the formula Number of open sprk= Design Area /
Spkr Coverage Area (rounded to the next integer number).
2012/8/23 Olie Olson olieol...@msn.com
Good Morning Cliff:
Same cross main until area
to the interpretation of the referenced section. Thanks, Brad
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From: bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com [mailto:bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:50 PM
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well... i'm not a lost cause yet. i'll
Casterline
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:45 AM
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Roland, as I have said before, I like being right, but I love being corrected
when I am not :). I think you are right and I am wrong regarding the
interpretation
no argument from me on that Ron :), designers do create!
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From: rfletc...@aerofire.com [mailto:rfletc...@aerofire.com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:50 PM
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On anything but a straight forward
and right after I hit send- your point sunk in-- i should never be surprised
by any results! thanks
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From: Brad Casterline [mailto:bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:02 PM
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Cliff-
I had this same situation in a gymnasium, I crossed the peak and picked up the
additional heads on the other lines to maintain the required distance along the
branchlines as this would be the worst case scenario IMHO
Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
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13 does address this. I am out so I can't find the exact section right now.
But, stop at your peak and pick up additional heads on the same cross main.
Since you use AS, just put both remote areas on and see which is most
demanding.
Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design, LLC
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On
why not calc it both ways and find out which is most demanding?
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From: Cliff Whitfield [mailto:cl...@fire-design.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:21 AM
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Subject: Remote Area Question
Forumites,
I have a question regarding a
, 2012 11:30 AM
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why not calc it both ways and find out which is most demanding?
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From: Cliff Whitfield [mailto:cl...@fire-design.com]
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:29 AM
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13 does address this. I am out so I can't find the exact
...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brad
Casterline
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:30 AM
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why not calc it both ways and find out which is most demanding?
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From
Hey Cliff,
Hope all is right in LA. Below is NFPA 13 (2007 edition) regarding your
question.
22.4.4.1.1.3 In systems having branch lines with an insufficient
number of sprinklers to fulfill the 1.2 requirement, the
design area shall be extended to include sprinklers on adjacent
branch
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of David Autry
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:34 AM
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Subject: RE: Remote Area Question
2007 Edition
22.4.4.1.1.3
Stay on one side of the peak. It should be the most demanding (If all the
pipe sizes
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Thanks David! Just what I was looking for and apparently overlooked.
Have a great day!
Cliff Whitfield, SET
President
Fire Design, Inc.
Ph: 337-261-8807
Fx: 337-261-8808
cl...@fire-design.com
www.fire-design.com
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Thanks David! Just what I was looking for and apparently overlooked.
Have a great day!
Cliff Whitfield, SET
President
Fire Design, Inc.
Ph: 337-261-8807
Fx: 337-261-8808
cl...@fire-design.com
www.fire-design.com
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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:02 PM
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Cliff,
I believe that reference refers to crossing the main/cross-main to add
heads, not a gap due to feeding from separate mains/cross-mains. There is
always a most
] On Behalf Of Brad
Casterline
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:17 PM
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Well said Ron (this is brad again not Cliff, I just wanted to say the 1st
step on the analysis path, I think, is the 2nd word in the referenced
section
there are heads
on branch lines on the other side of the peak.
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From: Cliff Whitfield [mailto:cl...@fire-design.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:09 PM
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Hi Brad,
I disagree with what you are saying
Casterline
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:17 PM
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Well said Ron (this is brad again not Cliff, I just wanted to say the 1st
step on the analysis path, I think, is the 2nd word in the referenced
section: this is not a SYSTEM
.
Cliff
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brad
Casterline
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:28 PM
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Hi Cliff,
It certainly
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From: Cliff Whitfield [mailto:cl...@fire-design.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:35 PM
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Brad,
I may be wrong but it seems to me that the reference to 'branch lines with
sufficient number of heads' is referring to heads
The numbers of sprinklers is on EACH branch line and the plural is
used to indicate it can be more than one individual branch line in the
remote area. The objective is to maximum the amount of water flow
throw each individual section (ie each branch line then each cross
main) because that
: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:52 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Remote Area Question
Cliff, do you think In systems having branch lines with an insufficient
number of sprinklers... is equivalent to On branchlines having an
insufficient number of sprinklers...? I do not, even though
Subject: Re: Remote Area Question
The numbers of sprinklers is on EACH branch line and the plural is
used to indicate it can be more than one individual branch line in the
remote area. The objective is to maximum the amount of water flow
throw each individual section (ie each branch line
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Subject: Re: Remote Area Question
The numbers of sprinklers is on EACH branch line and the plural is
used to indicate it can be more than one individual branch line in the
remote area. The objective is to maximum the amount of water flow
throw each individual section (ie each branch
I was hoping I'd be able to convert you :)
The question of the most demanding would be WHICH cross main you drop
the rectangle on.
Roland
On Aug 23, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Brad Casterline wrote:
Roland, the way you see it is worth a great deal to a great number of
people. The way I see it is
...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Remote Area Question
Roland, the way you see it is worth a great deal to a great number of people.
The way I see it is worth a great deal to me, not because
well... i'm not a lost cause yet. i'll give it some more thought. thanks.
Quoting Roland Huggins rhugg...@firesprinkler.org:
I was hoping I'd be able to convert you :)
The question of the most demanding would be WHICH cross main you
drop the rectangle on.
Roland
On Aug 23, 2012, at 1:48
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:50 PM
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well... i'm not a lost cause yet. i'll give it some more thought. thanks.
Quoting Roland Huggins rhugg
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