RE: Stupid closet question...

2012-10-05 Thread Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Stupid closet question... Of course, I was only speaking of adopted codes. I'm not familiar with all of the various code sets available for a jurisdiction to consider; however, the prevalent code set in Texas is IFC. IFC references NFPA 13 and 13R specifically for its

Re: Stupid closet question...

2012-10-05 Thread Curtis Tower
@firesprinkler.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:24 AM Subject: RE: Stupid closet question... Based on NFPA 13, 2010 edition and NFPA 101, 2009 edition. Annex D is not part of the enforceable section of NFPA 13, unless a jurisdiction specifically adopts it (see section heading). In this case, Annex D

Re: Stupid closet question...

2012-10-05 Thread Ron Greenman
cleaner in...[chuckles under breath]. - Original Message - From: Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] johnson...@mail.nih.gov To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:24 AM Subject: RE: Stupid closet question... Based

RE: Stupid closet question...

2012-10-05 Thread Rod DiBona
: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:25 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Stupid closet question... Based on NFPA 13, 2010 edition and NFPA 101, 2009 edition. Annex D is not part of the enforceable section of NFPA 13, unless a jurisdiction specifically adopts it (see section heading

RE: Stupid closet question...

2012-10-05 Thread George Church
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:04 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Stupid closet question... Duane, Thanks for the excellent analysis and clear delineation of the small yet significant differences

RE: Stupid closet question...

2012-10-05 Thread Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
: Friday, October 05, 2012 10:35 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Stupid closet question... Excellent code analysis/decision tree formation Duane. And I still think we need to work hard to put this idea of code versus standard, where the one trumps the other because of a word

Re: Stupid closet question...

2012-10-01 Thread Curtis Tower
- From: Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Stupid closet question... This is the conventional wisdom Curtis but I disagree. All model codes and standards are simply books until adopted, no matter

Re: Stupid closet question...

2012-09-27 Thread Roland Huggins
I take this one step further. If 101 is adopted, it boils down to which code requires the protection. If both, the most restrictive applies. If the building code does not require protection but 101 does, then 101 is the driving code and their exception applies. If neither require

Re: Stupid closet question...

2012-09-27 Thread Curtis Tower
I believe that the root of the confusion stems from semantics. NFPA 101 is referred to as a code, where NFPA 13, 13R, etc., is referred to as a standard. Many times, I have heard those of us in the business use the term 'code' interchangeably with the term 'standard'. This is technically

Re: Stupid closet question...

2012-09-27 Thread Ron Greenman
This is the conventional wisdom Curtis but I disagree. All model codes and standards are simply books until adopted, no matter what they are called. I'll use Washington as an example: The Revised Code of Washington (RCW) stipulates there will be a building code. The Building Code itself derives

Re: Stupid closet question...

2012-09-26 Thread Steve Leyton
Does your state or jurisdiction formally adopt 101? (Most don't.). If 101 is equal to or supersedes the building code, you may be able to take it, but remember that it's Annex material. Most AHJ's see it as code says to sprinkler per 13, 13 says to sprinkler it, so sprinkler it. Steve CH Fire -

RE: Stupid closet question...

2012-09-26 Thread CH Fire - Mike Gallello
. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:35 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Stupid closet question... Does your state or jurisdiction

RE: Stupid closet question...

2012-09-26 Thread Cahill, Christopher
: Stupid closet question... Does your state or jurisdiction formally adopt 101? (Most don't.). If 101 is equal to or supersedes the building code, you may be able to take it, but remember that it's Annex material. Most AHJ's see it as code says to sprinkler per 13, 13 says to sprinkler it, so